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Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin (alkuperäinen julkaisuvuosi 2010; vuoden 2010 painos)

– tekijä: Timothy Snyder (Tekijä)

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In this revelatory book, Timothy Snyder offers a groundbreaking investigation of Europe's killing fields and a sustained explanation of the motives and methods of both Hitler and Stalin. He anchors the history of Hitler's Holocaust and Stalin's Terror in their time and place and provides a fresh account of the relationship between the two regime.… (lisätietoja)
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Teoksen nimi:Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin
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A really good book about a really terrible time. I knew very little about this history, despite my formal education. Everything I knew was about the gas chambers at the concentration camps liberated by the Americans after the Second World War. But this book details the majority of killing that occurred before that, mostly on Polish and Ukrainian lands, by both Stalin and Hitler. ( )
  Pferdina | Feb 21, 2021 |
UN libro definitivo y contundente que despeja dudas acerca de lo terrible que fue la segunda guerra mundial. Comienza inmediatamente en la guerra, así que se pierde el contexto que tiene por ejemplo el "Descenso a los infiernos"de Kershaw, pero es un libro impresionante.

Coloca en perspectiva todas las matanzas a escala industrial llevadas a cabo primero por los sovieticos, luego nazis y sovieticos y finalmente las limpiezas étnicas postguerra. Terrible. ( )
  sergiouribe | Nov 16, 2020 |
Perhaps I'm coming to this too late (eight years after publication), but many of the facts were familiar to me from other work on the war and its aftermath. That said, I was pleasantly surprised. Snyder's presentation was clear, as was his argument, even if the latter wasn't entirely convincing. In a strange way, this is an inversion of great-man history: evil-man history. The mass murders that took place in eastern Europe, for Snyder, often seem to come down to an interaction of Hitler and Stalin's brains, which I can't help but think is a little too simplistic. Perhaps this was just a rhetorical move (it's easier to say "Stalin xed" than it is to lay out everything that went into that x), but the effect is a little confounding.

That wouldn't at all matter, except that Western historians and Eastern European journalists and public figures have recently made a lot of hay out of not being Nazis (e.g., in law, the Poles never did anything to Jews, even if some things were done to Jews in Polish places), and not being Soviets. Snyder does well in his conclusion to warn against victimhood as an important part of injustice (if you're a victim, your deeds are ipso facto just, even if they're, say, starving Ukrainian peasants to death); that is not a lesson that will be taken from his work by the Anne Appelabums of the world. And, to judge by his own more recent public interventions, Snyder probably didn't take it all that much to heart, either.

So, this is a solid book, well worth reading, particularly if you're somehow still in the grips of the History Channel's version of the war. It should be balanced by this review:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/

which is less balanced than Snyder's book (and is tiresome in its wish to see any criticism of Stalin-and-Hitler as red baiting), but as imbalanced as Snyder's more recent work , and will at least make it clear that those who were caught between the twin horrors of Stalin and Hitler were not small children passively suffering or actively resisting evil. In fact, lots of Eastern Europeans were horrifying human beings before 'Stalin' arrived, while he was there, while 'Hitler' was there, and after 'Stalin' came back. In that, they're like the rest of us, even Timothy Snyder.

(To give one example of the imbalance here: Snyder quite rightly rejects the idea of calling Jewish people 'Soviet Jews' just because they were in Eastern European countries when those countries were swallowed by the Soviets. But he's very comfortable indeed with calling non-Jewish people Soviets when they're doing bad things, as if pogroms were caused by and carried out by Soviets who happened to be Polish against Jews who happened to be Soviets, rather than Poles against Jews.

Or, despite his universalist humanist plea in the conclusion, consider that Snyder sees the problem with Hitler and Stalin as being their desire for a utopia--that boogeyman of the individualist American--and not that they were both nationalists (and, indeed, one wonders why the Eastern European nationalists who wanted to ethnically cleanse their 'homelands' were somehow less utopian than the Germans and Russian soviets).) ( )
  stillatim | Oct 23, 2020 |
In extraordinary detail Snyder goes over pretty much every single one of the fourteen million civilian murders between 1932 and 1945 in the lands between the overlapping control, invasions and occupations of the Soviet Union and Germany; the Baltics, Poland, Ukraine, and their edges. It covers the forced starvations, purges and deportations, and the rounding up and shootings.

It is, obviously, utterly horrific. It's an amazing book to keep reading, many, many examples of mass murders of ten to twenty thousand people within just two days. Interesting notes like this,
"A team of just twelve Moscow NKVD men shot 20,761 people at Butovo, on the outskirts of Moscow, in 1937 and 1938."

It is a hard subject and a dense book to read. It is also modestly annoyingly repetitive. However, it is absolutely recommended if one thinks one knows anything at all about those years and that region. ( )
  tmph | Sep 13, 2020 |
awestruck history ( )
  triley60 | Mar 22, 2020 |
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Snyder’s ambition is to persuade the West—and the rest of the world—to see the war in a broader perspective. He does so by disputing popular assumptions about victims, death tolls, and killing methods—of which more in a moment—but above all about dates and geography. The title of this book, Bloodlands, is not a metaphor. Snyder’s “bloodlands,” which others have called “borderlands,” run from Poznan in the West to Smolensk in the East, encompassing modern Poland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, Belarus, and the edge of western Russia (see map on page 10). This is the region that experienced not one but two—and sometimes three—wartime occupations. This is also the region that suffered the most casualties and endured the worst physical destruction.

More to the point, this is the region that experienced the worst of both Stalin’s and Hitler’s ideological madness.
 
Mr Snyder’s book is revisionist history of the best kind: in spare, closely argued prose, with meticulous use of statistics, he makes the reader rethink some of the best-known episodes in Europe’s modern history.
lisäsi ekorrhjulet | muokkaaThe Economist (Oct 14, 2010)
 

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Snyder, TimothyTekijäensisijainen tekijäkaikki painoksetvahvistettu
Adelaar, PattyKääntäjämuu tekijäeräät painoksetvahvistettu
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your golden hair Margarete,
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Paul Celan
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Everything flows, everything changes.
You can't board the same prison train twice.

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With no to hear his prayers for forgiveness.

"Storm on the Black Sea"
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In this revelatory book, Timothy Snyder offers a groundbreaking investigation of Europe's killing fields and a sustained explanation of the motives and methods of both Hitler and Stalin. He anchors the history of Hitler's Holocaust and Stalin's Terror in their time and place and provides a fresh account of the relationship between the two regime.

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