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Matterhorn: A Novel of the Vietnam War (alkuperäinen julkaisuvuosi 2010; vuoden 2011 painos)

– tekijä: Karl Marlantes (Tekijä)

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In the tradition of Norman Mailer's "The Naked and the Dead" and James Jones's "The Thin Red Line," Marlantes tells the powerful and compelling story of a young Marine lieutenant, Waino Mellas, and his comrades in Bravo Company, who are dropped into the mountain jungle of Vietnam as boys and forced to fight their way into manhood.… (lisätietoja)
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Teoksen nimi:Matterhorn: A Novel of the Vietnam War
Kirjailijat:Karl Marlantes (Tekijä)
Info:Grove Press (2011), Edition: Reprint, 640 pages
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Matterhorn (tekijä: Karl Marlantes) (2010)

  1. 91
    The Things They Carried (tekijä: Tim O'Brien) (chrisharpe)
    chrisharpe: Both excellent fictional accounts based on Vietnam wartime experience.
  2. 60
    Dispatches (tekijä: Michael Herr) (erickandow)
  3. 30
    Chickenhawk (tekijä: Robert Mason) (chrisharpe)
    chrisharpe: This memoir is a fitting complement to Matterhorn's grunt's perspective, giving an account from the point of view of a Huey pilot with the 1st Cav. One is nominally fiction and the other "fact", though it's hard, if not impossible, to tell which is which.… (lisätietoja)
  4. 30
    In Pharaoh's Army: Memories of the Lost War (tekijä: Tobias Wolff) (clif_hiker)
  5. 20
    What It Is Like to Go to War (tekijä: Karl Marlantes) (TooBusyReading)
    TooBusyReading: Nonfiction by the author of Matterhorn, this one is a great look at war through the eyes of someone who has been there - what we've done right, what we've done wrong, what we have to change.
  6. 10
    The Sorrow of War: A Novel of North Vietnam (tekijä: Bao Ninh) (rebeccanyc)
    rebeccanyc: Whether American or Vietnamese, the experience of the Vietnam/American war was shared, and these two books explore the experience of fighting and remembering from differing perspectives.
  7. 10
    Elämä ja kohtalo (tekijä: Vasily Grossman) (chrisharpe)
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    Fields of Fire (tekijä: James Webb) (ecureuil)
  9. 00
    A Rumor of War (tekijä: Philip Caputo) (hvg)
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    The 13th Valley (tekijä: John M. Del Vecchio) (paulkid)
    paulkid: Similar books that explore the psyches of grunts and their lieutenants, focusing on a small number of company-sized military operations. Both are rich in character development, and capture how soldiers deal with the constant threat of unexpected death and pain. For example, compare Del Vechhio's mantra "Don't mean nuthin'" to Marlantes' "There it is". Both great books.… (lisätietoja)
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    Loputon sota (tekijä: Joe Haldeman) (mysterymax)
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    Parsifal (tekijä: Wolfram von Eschenbach) (alanteder)
    alanteder: "Matterhorn" author Karl Marlantes has said that part of the inspiration for his Vietnam War novel also comes from the Parsifal (aka Parzival aka Percival) Arthurian/Grail legends. See his speaking engagement at the Pritzker Military Library for instance at http://www.pritzkermilitarylibrary.org/events/2010/09-23-karl-marlantes.jsp… (lisätietoja)
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Readers under the age of fifty-five can move on. Vietnam holds an intractable power over those of us, mostly males, who were of draftable age from around ‘65 to ‘71 or so. But it affected many of our parents, too, and may have had effects on policy decisions many years later by people who were able to avoid the quagmire.

An excellent, if terribly depressing, novel about Vietnam. Matterhorn is the code name of a hill a company of Marines is asked to defend and establish a base. The hills in the area are named for Swiss mountains. Marlantes’s protagonist, Mellas, is an ambitious fresh lieutenant. We’re never quite clear of how Mellas got there, and his motives are confused. He’s angling for the position of company commander but he’s also increasingly dismayed by the incompetence of his superiors (something that really pissed off some Amazon reviewers who mostly were some of those.)



Some rather horrible scenes, one where the group has just set up an ambush in the middle of the night when the man out front is mauled and killed by a tiger. In another scene, a marine gets a leech up his urethra, which would be funny except it’s horribly painful and life-threatening.

Apparently, the book was originally 1,600 pages long, finally cut to about 600 and the book takes the reader along to a deployment in Vietnam forced to accompany the troops as they , in Sisyphean fashion, slog along taking the hill, losing it, retaking it, rebuilding previous positions, in what inevitably becomes a futile effort to get anywhere.

“No, the jungle wasn’t evil. It was indifferent. So, too, was the world. Evil, then, must be the negation of something man had added to the world. Ultimately, it was caring about something that made the world liable to evil. Caring. And then the caring gets torn asunder. Everybody dies, but not everybody cares. It occurred to Mellas that he could create the possibility of good or evil through caring. He could nullify the indifferent world. But in so doing he opened himself up to the pain of watching it get blown away.”

Reviews on Amazon all compliment the author for the book’s extreme realism.

There were the inevitable negative reviews complaining the book is anti-Vietnam (what was he supposed to do, make a John Wayne movie?), the officers were portrayed as buffoons (only in part), horribly written (utter nonsense), used the “f” word too much (I mean really, these are Marines in horrible conditions,) wrong portrayal of the fighter jocks (like Marlantes is only allowed have a positive view despite his experiences,) the bomb-bay door on an F-4 was wrongly described, etc., etc. There is an assumption on the part of several that if Marlantes experience in Vietnam didn’t mirror theirs exactly, it must be rubbish. Having read many Vietnam memoirs, each has a distinct perspective that reflects their own experience. Marlantes, btw, earned a Navy Cross, no slouchy thing. His hero is also not the most selfless, but you get the distinct feeling that the upper echelons were more interested in glory for themselves at the expense of their troops who were maneuvered as bait, so they could kill more VC. Casualties counts were manipulated to look smaller than they really were. A company's losses could be made to look less devastating by describing the action as a battalion level operation.

Marlantes unflinchingly describes the racial tensions that were becoming increasingly pronounced by 1969 when he was there. "You cannot imagine how racist the army was in the 60s," he says. "Out in the field, we were held together by fear, but once the troops were back at base the old divisions, black and white, would come back."

Mellas, who has much in common with Marlantes: an Ivy League graduate from rural Oregon who adheres to the values of his childhood rather than the smart, east coast radicalism of his Princeton roommates. Mellas volunteers for the Marine Corps and, wet behind the ears, takes command of a platoon in the north-west corner of South Vietnam during the rainy season of 1969, just as Marlantes did. "All second lieutenants in history are the same," he says. "I was just a young white kid from Oregon commanding these working-class kids from the ghetto."

Triage aboard the hospital ship and on the ground was the inverse of what we would expect. Those most severely wounded were put aside to later. The idea was to first fix up those who could return to the field and then attend to those who would never be able to. This created a dissonance in the hospital staff who realized their job was to simply fix a killing machine so it could go on killing rather than necessarily save lives, although they certainly did lots of that.



He was demobilized in 1970 after being wounded during battle. When he returned he was challenged by some protesters, who accused him of being a killer. Six weeks before he had indeed been killing as many as he could. "The Vietnam war was a defining experience in the US," he says. "It made this incredible divide, even within families. The Democrats were anti-war and the Republicans supported our troops. It shaped a generation, at least, and conditioned our response to things like Iraq and Afghanistan."



Marlantes has some interesting things to say about the reticence of veterans to talk of their experience at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIxekAmiyyA ( )
  ecw0647 | Sep 22, 2020 |
This is a tough book to digest. While readable it is a difficult read because of the subject matter. Marlantes sucks the reader into the depths of the Vietnam jungle and the reader experiences the horrors and the suffering that our troops experienced. The military lingo is a bit of an obstacle but the author very thoughtfully includes a glossary which I recommend skimming through before delving into the book.. ( )
  Cricket856 | Sep 22, 2020 |
Very good book. ( )
  monogodo | Sep 15, 2020 |
The way we think of war is connected with our concept of the state. A normal war is fought between states, or a civil war is fought over control of a state. There are obviously more complex variants, e.g. there could be a war between a state and an insurgent group in second state, where the first state claims to be helping the second to suppress the insurgency, as currently in Afghanistan. But war always comes back to the state somehow, and so is a public affair. By contrast, a violent conflict between private organizations such as mafia groups might be called a war colloquially (e.g. the phrase "turf war"), but it's not considered a war by historians or other scholars. Analytically, we treat private violence as a fundamentally different thing.

In the past, the distinction we have between the public realm of the state and private actors may have been imagined very differently, or not existed at all. For example, today most monarchs maintain a sharp distinction between their public office and their private interests - the British monarchy is separate from the Windsor family. In past monarchies this distinction was often less clear, and in some cases nor made at all - some monarchs simply thought of their kingdoms as their private property, and when they went to "war" against a neighbour, were trying to obtain more property.

Similarly, the lower levels of authority within many pre-modern states were often held by power-brokers who behaved much like private actors. A medieval baron looked fairly similar to a mafia don - using brute force to exert authority, and enriching himself through protection, extortion, monopoly etc. But the baron was a legitimate part of the political order. He doesn't really fit into our binary of public v. private.

So was a conflict between medieval barons, or kings, a war in the sense we understand it? It certainly wasn't like the Second World War, which we think of as being fought between the British and German nations (and the others), and to have involved patriotism, etc. And there wasn't even anything we would recognize as a state. So I think we're talking about something very different (even though medieval folk also called it war, or guerre or whatever - they meant something different as they didn't share our concepts. If a medieval person turned up now they probably wouldn't understand why we distinguish mafia conflicts from wars).

I should have added that the crucial component of our public/private distinction here is the idea that the state has a monopoly on legitimate violence. So war, and other kinds of public violence such as policing, capital punishment, etc., is legitimate (at least, potentially so, as long it doesn't violate international law), whereas private violence is by definition illegitimate.

This idea of the state's monopoly on legitimate violence is very recent. Even 150 years ago it was partial in many slave-owning societies, and 500 years ago organized violence, even at substantial scale, with armies etc, was considered to be a normal, legitimate activity for any political big-shot in many parts of the world.

(Of course, today there are many states that fail to enforce their monopoly on violence, but the idea that they *should* is close to universal.) ( )
  antao | Aug 22, 2020 |
This is the most visceral and distressing of all the Vietnam war novels I have read. It starts with a marine having a leech removed without anesthetic from inside his urethra before his bladder bursts. The protagonist, just off the helicopter, is dragooned to restrain the struggling man and is soon befouled in blood and urine. A few hundred or so pages later the man returns to the field and by then the reader, recalling that first incident, regards it as mild. I don't think I have ever had that reading experience before. ( )
  JoeHamilton | Jul 21, 2020 |
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In zijn sublieme roman Matterhorn doorbreekt Vietnam-veteraan Karl Marlantes het stilzwijgen dat de maatschappij verwacht van hen die het smerigste werk moeten opknappen: de gevechtssoldaten.
Als verhalenverteller brengt Marlantes effectief het gevoel over wat oorlog is. De gekte, de pijn, maar ook de vriendschap en de liefde. Het maakte dit oorlogsboek populair bij vrouwen in Amerika.
 
Chapter after chapter, battle after battle, Marlantes pushes you through what may be one of the most profound and devastating novels ever to come out of Vietnam — or any war. It’s not a book so much as a deployment, and you will not return unaltered.
 
"It reads like adventure and yet it makes even the toughest war stories seem a little pale by comparison."
 

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Between the emotion and the response, the desire and the spasm, falls the shadow (Matterhorn, p. 597)
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In the tradition of Norman Mailer's "The Naked and the Dead" and James Jones's "The Thin Red Line," Marlantes tells the powerful and compelling story of a young Marine lieutenant, Waino Mellas, and his comrades in Bravo Company, who are dropped into the mountain jungle of Vietnam as boys and forced to fight their way into manhood.

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