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The Bible is the most important book in the history of Western civilization, and also the most difficult to interpret. It has been the vehicle of continual conflict, with every interpretation reflecting passionately-held views that have affected not merely religion, but politics, art, and evenscience.This unique edition offers an exciting new approach to the most influential of all English biblical texts - the Authorized King James Version, complete with the Apocrypha. Its wide-ranging Introduction and the substantial notes to each book of the Bible guide the reader through the labyrinth ofliterary, textual, and theological issues, using the most up-to-date scholarship to demonstrate how and why the Bible has affected the literature, art and general culture of the English-speaking world.… (lisätietoja)
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Drafted beginning November 2020

A skinny on the Bible—I like the law, at least to a certain extent; I like Leviticus better than Numbers—I can imagine myself being a priest (I’m an Episcopalian Druid, but that’s another story), (*) but not a tribal chief, right. Forgiveness rituals are nice. Philosophical Christianity tends to make forgiveness very much a headspace game, divorced from action. Paul is an outstanding genius, but also overrated, because people think that Paul is all in all.

But basically I’d like to talk about the notes. Basically the notes are ok, as we need more religion-science dialogue and the notes could have been a lot more paranoid, right. But to be a little critical, they tend to magnify (like everyone else) the distance between religion and science. I don’t know as much about science, but scientists certainly aren’t a hive mind, and religion is very diverse—and I don’t think there’s really any kind of writing that’s not represented in the Bible, from the most technical to the most poetic....

Take the somewhat typical criticism that Moses is heavy on the punishments. (Not that Moses is always right, but really I think interpretations of Moses have to evolve like everything else; I feel like the imagined static response is just an attempt to freeze the world at 1788 or whenever, although even this sort of thinking does mutate, just in unhealthy and unhelpful ways.) But Moses being heavy on punishments isn’t some mysterious thing; technical writing always tends to be rather exacting. Doctors as well as priests are very technical and very exacting, and usually stress punishment more than reward; even if they go against their grain and get in that 15-20% of rewards, they’re not saying, “Do whatever you want.” “If you stay on your whole-foods plant-based diet, you will do well, but if you don’t, you’ll get bloated and hurt the land and feel sad and die.”

Of course, the author of the Song of Songs and Ruth probably wouldn’t have much patience for this kind of talk, anymore than romance novelists or whoever like going to the doctor. The Bible is relatively serious, compared to us, our libraries are probably 75% fiction and the Bible’s probably more like 10% or less, depending on how you count, (Job is long, serious fiction; Ruth is shorter and lighter, but they don’t pile on the shorter and lighter), but if nothing can be representative perfectly of all possibilities I do think that the Bible is an Archetypal Book and does give at least something to everything.

Of course doctors, I mean priests, are curmudgeon-y, but I try to go against my grain and read a little technical stuff and not just confessional poetry or hyper-Pauline philosophy. Say that staff at the group home asks you to move a chair you were reading on, once you’re done, because it’s a fire hazard left in the middle of the room. This can be done politely, (and I’m sure that some tribal chiefs were not very polite, but you can’t really verify that by reading the Bible, it would be like trying to find sociology in the law library; you’d need intuition and outside documents to extract sociology from the Bible; the Bible has history and it has everything, but at the same time I’m not a vigilant, suspicious Bible-alone person; it’s sufficient for many persons as a tool of faith, and I don’t think it could necessarily be made sufficient for more people by changing it, language and culture drift (“brothers and sisters” vs “brethren”) notwithstanding, but all the books in the world are not necessarily sufficient to a curious person; that’s the nature of curiosity), but essentially “please move the chair” is a threat backed up by some implicit punishment. You don’t get a day at the circus because you move the chair, but you get a scolding if you don’t. You might get thanks if you comply, but if you wrote out all the emotions longhand, the thanks would be about 15% of the total for most people.

.... Actually I think it has a certain beauty, the way they deal with people being so unmindful and ungrateful. “If you do well, evening will be evening, and morning will be morning.” God, you’re tripping. You’re in charge of the whole world; say something dramatic. “Ok, if you do not do well, at evening you will long for the morning, and in the morning, for the evening. Will you do well now?” Nah, but thanks for trying, Buddy.

So that’s why there’s more curses than blessings in Deuteronomy, and if a skeptic can handle that, he’s much less likely (in our current society) to trip over the lines about not squeezing every last penny out of the land or forgetting the poor.

.... It usually escapes the notice that Proverbs is essentially the product of a folklore society, something we don’t always associate with biblical writings....

.... Of course it’s not all Carroll and Prickett’s fault; they just assume that the Bible is the Christians they know, who are not pretty, obviously. I knew an evangelical teaching Ecclesiastes, who was just so uncomfortable with the text and so dishonestly, really, unable to admit it.... And whenever a liberal quotes the Bible on justice for the poor, we always assume that it can’t really be the Bible, right, although why wouldn’t it be....

.... But many on both the left and the right, although with different reactions, have imagined that they saw the nature of Jesus in the face of a tyrant.

(*) N.B. At least, I fast on Sabbats and Esbats Technically, a liquid fast for at least 2/3-3/4 of the day.

.... Ans yes, sometimes religion is just....

Ezekiel: Get a load of these chicks crying for their dead god.
Get a load of you, Herr Gossip.

/sigh/ And sometimes I talk back to the radio too, so I don’t know. Everybody’s got baggage.

I would never say it’s easy to try to stand in the middle in between two people who don’t like each other but it’s also not easy to stand all the way at the extreme of one end, crushed by the multitude especially if you don’t wanna end up like a proud gossip.

.... There is comfort in the prophets, though. Because even though It’s Not All About You (Judgment on Israel), It’s Not Just You (Judgment on the nations).

“You are indeed a Christian,” sneered the Celt. “The sight of blood repels you, but it fills me, with joy.” (A line from a video game burned into my brain because I couldn’t progress further because of a glitch.)

.... (I ended with the prophets, and I put Paul’s stuff on my main page, but why not mention Jesus.) Tension in the prophets was certainly not unknown to Jesus. “That guy John is a great man, but he’s a jerk.”

.... Anyway, I know how exciting namby pamby Christian liberals are, but without crucifying anyone in particular, but just because it’s in the air, there are a lot of radicals on both sides—the latter very much informed by the former—who go, Surely shall we smite them for not believing in mercy, (we’ll punish those fuckers for not believing in mercy), even shall we get them back for not being polite, and none shall deliver them out of our hand....

It’s a wonderful world lol!

.... And as much as I love the Bible and reading it’s important to remember how meaningless words and books can be. (Cecily finds Sicily less thistly than Thessaly.) How often we read those ten or twenty pages just to get them in!

.... Though there is, of course, something to which the words refer, even if that’s not really, you know, more words.
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