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Plato: Complete Works Tekijä: Plato
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Plato: Complete Works (alkuperäinen julkaisuvuosi 1959; vuoden 1997 painos)

Tekijä: Plato (Tekijä), John M. Cooper (Toimittaja), D. S. Hutchinson (Toimittaja)

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Gathers translations of Plato's works and includes guidance on approaching their reading and study.
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Teoksen nimi:Plato: Complete Works
Kirjailijat:Plato (Tekijä)
Muut tekijät:John M. Cooper (Toimittaja), D. S. Hutchinson (Toimittaja)
Info:Hackett Publishing Co. (1997), 1838 pages
Kokoelmat:Oma kirjasto, Parhaillaan lukemassa
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Teokset. I–VII (tekijä: Plato (Author)) (1959)

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    Plato's Philosophers: The Coherence of the Dialogues (tekijä: Catherine H. Zuckert) (hbryant2)
    hbryant2: "Catherine Zuckert explains ... how these prose dramas cohere to reveal a comprehensive Platonic understanding of philosopohy."
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    Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology: Expanded Second Edition (tekijä: Ayn Rand) (mcaution)
    mcaution: Taking up Plato's problem of universals and the tradition of Aristotle, Rand provides the solution as well as laying the foundation for the proper methods of validating all other knowledge.
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The long journey for knowledge begins…The greatest progenitor and first true western mind that began modern intellect and exploration of thought itself.. a must read, a necessary read.. ( )
  SubjectZero | Jul 7, 2023 |
Farewell, study your philosophy, and try to interest the other young men in it. —Letter XIII

...these are the studies. Whether they are difficult, whether they are easy, this is the way we must proceed. —Epinomis 992a

...If we live truly the life of philosophy —Letter VI


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I'm not going to presume to review Plato's works. I'm not qualified to do that; I've read them, not studied them.

What I have decided to do is talk a little about the volume itself, and give my opinion on which works I think are must-reads, and which ones I enjoyed. And also sprinkle in some quotes for good measure, which should also give you a flavour of the translations.

And if you're looking for a reason to read his works; your mind will be opened and you will be exposed to so many ideas. Now you probably won't enjoy reading all of them, but you'll be glad you did...

..."After all, this is the object of the exercise — I'm not going through all this simply for the story. —Laws III 699e

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First of all, the translation. There is no single translator for this volume, but rather a number of different translators. I thought that the translations were all superb. No troubles reading them whatsoever.

The volume contains a good general introduction, and contains excellent, brief introductions prior to each work.

How are the works arranged? Into the nine-tetralogies, followed by 8 spurious works, and ending with 18 epigrams.

(The organisation into tetralogies is ascribed by Diogenes Laërtius to one Thrasyllus, a 1st. century AD. scholar, and the court astrologer to the Emperor Tiberius.)

There are notes, and these are: textual, quoting references, and give some background information.

But the text isn't packed with explanatory notes; this simply wouldn't be possible in a single volume complete collection.

However, I really didn't find this a problem as the dialogues themselves are fairly easy to read (mostly), and I had no major problems following along. They are not, as I may have thought, very densely written or packed with obscure philosophical terminology.

The text (Palatino) is a good size, is printed on high quality paper, and the volume is bound strongly.

Definitely an edition made to last, and I would highly recommend it.
If you know you want to read all of Plato at some point, get this.

You can always get other editions (with notes) of his major works.
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Absolute Must-Reads
-Euthyphro
-Apology
-Crito
-Phaedo


(Collectively known as The Last Days of Socrates or The Trial and Execution of Socrates, these four dialogues give an account of the last days of Socrates and his execution.)

-Republic
-Laws


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Favourites
-Euthyphro
-Apology
-Crito
-Phaedo
-Alcibiades
-Protagoras
-Gorgias
-Meno
-Lesser Hippias
-Republic
-Timaeus
-Laws
-Definitions
-Sisyphus
-Axiochus

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...I usually praise the ancients who came before us more highly than I praise the people of our own day —Greater Hippias 282a

It looks to us, my friend, as if you mean to imply that passing the time with friends over a drink —provided we behave ourselves —is a considerable contribution to education.
Most certainly. —Laws I 641d

But for a man to acquire good judgement, and unshakeable correct opinions, however late in life, is a matter of good luck: a man who possesses them, and all the benefits they entail, is perfect. —Laws II 653a

We do not hold the common view that a man's highest good is to survive and simply continue to exist. His highest good is to become as virtuous as possible and to continue to exist in that state as long as life lasts. —Laws IV 707d

However, it would be pretty fatuous to spend our time talking about the length or brevity of the text: it's high quality that we should value I think, not extreme brevity or length, —Laws IV 722b

My good Crito, why should we care so much for what the majority think? —Crito 44c

The soul of the philosopher achieves a calm from such emotions; it follows reason and ever stays with it complementing the true, the divine, which is not the object of opinion. —Phaedo 84a
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1 ääni EroticsOfThought | Feb 27, 2018 |
If you're looking to read Plato in English then this is the book for you. It is the only edition to include everything passed down under his name from antiquity: the entire canon of Thrasyllus, one or two other pieces like Definitions and the epigrams from the Greek Anthology. All other editions make editorial decisions about what is and is not by Plato. Obviously, not everything in here is by Plato. In some cases we know the names of the people who actually wrote certain works, but in the case of something like Clitophon I see no reason why it couldn't be a genuine work. Either way, the spurious pieces give you a wider idea of the philosophy of the Greeks. Some are very good. Others, if nothing else, make clear just how difficult the dialogue form was and just how good Plato was with it.

If I have one quibble it's that not all the translations are as good as they could be. Not that they appear inaccurate, but take the translation of Republic. Some twenty-odd years ago I read Robin Waterfield's translation. It was that book that got me into Plato, philosophy and Greek literature in general. There's a zing and pzazz to the writing that all the best translations share and which must be there in Plato's Greek. The offering in this volume is a plodding affair. If that had been my introduction to Plato I think I would have been put off for life. Also, the tone in some of the other translations is just a little bit off. But most of the translations are fine and some are very good.

It's also a well made book, printed on beautiful paper. I spilt Ribena on my copy. ( )
1 ääni Lukerik | Jan 23, 2018 |
Plato and Aristotle between them not only laid the foundations for Western philosophy, many would argue they divided it neatly between them: Plato the one who with his "Allegory of the Cave" gave birth to the idea of an existence beyond our senses, giving a rational gloss to mysticism. Aristotle, the father of logic and a scientist, with a this-world orientation. There's a famous fresco by Raphael, "The School of Athens," where that's illustrated, where the figure meant to be Plato points to the sky--the heavens--while Aristotle points to the ground--to this Earth. If you're going to ask me which school I belong to--at least as so categorized, Aristotle wins, hands down. Yet if you ask me which philosopher I found a joy to read, which a slog--well, Plato wins.

Unfortunately, much of Aristotle's works were lost, and what remains I've seen described as not his polished material, but "lecture notes." In the case of Plato, though, what we have are largely "dialogues." These are like little plays, with characters arguing back and forth. Even if, as the "Socratic method" many a law student has endured suggests, much of it often consists of Socrates asking questions and others answering things such as "It would seem so, Socrates."

Not in the Symposium though, where various characters (including the comic playwright Aristophanes) meet for a dinner party where all contribute to a conversation on the meaning of love--and I think even those derisive or fearful of something labeled "philosophy" would find themselves engaged--even charmed. Plato's Republic though, is likely the most famous of his works--even perhaps the most controversial. It has so many famous aspects--the question of whether one could be virtuous if you owned an invisibility ring and could cloak your crimes, and especially the "Allegory of the Cave," perhaps the most famous metaphor in all of philosophy. The Republic has taken heat for being the paradigm of the totalitarian state, as it posits an ideal state modeled after Sparta, where children are taken away from their parents to be raised communally and all aspects of the lives of citizens controlled.

Karl Popper has a fascinating critique of Plato along these lines in the first volume of his The Open Society. But he notes a contradiction looking at Plato's works as a whole. The Gorgias, for instance, which I studied in college, reads as a great defense of freedom of speech and expression. It's also not consistent with the three dialogues that tell of Socrates trial and death, The Apology, The Crito and The Phaedo. In the first Socrates defends himself as a gadfly--as someone that stings the lazy horse of the state awake--and who should be rewarded, not swatted. It's a spirited defense of the role of the dissenter. Popper attributes the inconsistencies to the differences between Socrates and Plato, as well as a change in Plato over time. In the earlier dialogues, particularly the more biographical ones about Socrates' trial and death, we get the genuine article. But more and more, Popper would argue, Plato put words into Socrates mouth that didn't accord with his democratic and libertarian beliefs, particularly as Plato grew more aristocratic and authoritarian. It is interesting in that regard, that in what is purported to be Plato's last dialogue, The Laws, Socrates disappears as a character altogether.

In any case, I'd strongly recommend becoming familiar with Plato--he's just as important to Western Civilization as The Bible, whether you're sympathetic to his arguments or not. (Indeed, much Christian theology is a amalgam of the New Testament and Greek philosophy.) At least try The Republic, The Symposium, and The Apology. And truly, reading the dialogues isn't arduous as is true of many philosophical tracts. The ideas can sometimes be difficult and sophisticated, but it's often a surprisingly lively read. ( )
2 ääni LisaMaria_C | May 24, 2013 |
So again, the superlative wisdom of Socrates is testified by all antiquity, and placed on ground not to be questioned. When therefore Plato puts into his mouth such paralogisms, such quibbles on words & sophisms as a schoolboy would be ashamed of, we conclude they were the whimsies of Plato's own foggy brain, and acquit Socrates of puerilities so unlike his character. (Speaking of Plato I will add that no writer antient or modern has bewildered the world with more ignes fatui than this renowned philosopher, in Ethis, in Politics & Physics. In the latter, to specify a single example, compare his views of the animal economy, in his Timaeus, with those of mrs Bryan in her Conversations on chemistry, and weigh the science of the canonised philosopher against the good sense of the unassuming lady. But Plato's visions have furnished a basis for endless systems of mystical theology, and he is therefore all but adopted as a Christian saint... (TJ to William Short, 4 August 1820)

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