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To Say Nothing of the Dog

– tekijä: Connie Willis

Muut tekijät: Katso muut tekijät -osio.

Sarjat: Oxford Time Travel series (2)

JäseniäKirja-arvostelujaSuosituimmuussijaKeskimääräinen arvioKeskustelut / Maininnat
5,9182661,256 (4.14)1 / 776
Ned Henry is badly in need of a rest. He's been shuttling between the 21st century and the 1940s searching for a Victorian atrocity called the bishop's bird stump. It's part of a project to restore the famed Coventry Cathedral, destroyed in a Nazi air raid over a hundred years earlier. But then Verity Kindle, a fellow time traveler, inadvertently brings back something from the past. Now Ned must jump back to the Victorian era to help Verity put things right--not only to save the project but to prevent altering history itself.… (lisätietoja)
  1. 171
    Kolme miestä veneessä (tekijä: Jerome K. Jerome) (Medellia, rakerman, kittycatpurr, wookiebender)
  2. 183
    Tuomiopäivän kirja (tekijä: Connie Willis) (amberwitch, Othemts, Patangel)
    amberwitch: A much darker book set in the same universe. This time the timetravel is to the dark middle ages instead of the gay Victorian era
    Othemts: To Say Nothing of the Dog is a more light-hearted time travel adventure which is sort of a sequel to Doomsday Book. Both are excellent, enjoyable novels.
  3. 70
    Time and Again (tekijä: Jack Finney) (Kichererbse)
  4. 104
    The Eyre Affair (tekijä: Jasper Fforde) (simon_carr)
    simon_carr: Similar light hearted style and 'book travelling' rather than time travelling but chances are if you like one then you'll like the other.
  5. 50
    Sorcery and Cecelia, or, The Enchanted Chocolate Pot (tekijä: Patricia C. Wrede) (Pagemistress)
  6. 41
    Scholarly Magics (tekijä: Caroline Stevermer) (nessreader)
    nessreader: College of Magics is a swashbuckling coming of age novel about a Ruritanian princess (who has a perfectly proper English friend, a demure witch with a passion for millinery) Jane, the English friend is the lead in the sequel, Scholar of Magics, which is a closer match for To Say Nothing.. Edwardiana, cream teas, and magic, in books told with a deft wit: that describes both To Say Nothing and Scholar of Magics.… (lisätietoja)
  7. 20
    Farthing (tekijä: Jo Walton) (sturlington)
    sturlington: Both mashups of classic British mysteries and science fiction.
  8. 64
    Jonathan Strange & herra Norrell (tekijä: Susanna Clarke) (hiredman)
  9. 20
    The Anubis Gates (tekijä: Tim Powers) (Kichererbse)
  10. 21
    Love Among the Chickens (tekijä: P. G. Wodehouse) (gaialover)
  11. 11
    Tuomiopäivän komedia (tekijä: Robert A. Heinlein) (Kichererbse)
  12. 00
    My Dirty Little Book of Stolen Time (tekijä: Liz Jensen) (isabelx)
    isabelx: Both are very funny time travel stories.
  13. 11
    What Ho, Automaton! (tekijä: Chris Dolley) (Keeline)
    Keeline: Also a light Victorian mystery/romance with a Wodehouse feel
  14. 01
    Corrupting Dr. Nice (tekijä: John Kessel) (nessreader)
    nessreader: Both have a flavour of screwball comedy romance and wilful anachronisms abound while the unromantic lovers sort themselves out. Corrupting Dr Nice reminded me a lot of Preston Sturges' film, The Lady Eve.
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Näyttää 1-5 (yhteensä 261) (seuraava | näytä kaikki)
Anything with a reference to [b:Three Men in a Boat|4921|Three Men in a Boat|Jerome K. Jerome|https://d.gr-assets.com/books/1392791656s/4921.jpg|4476508] is worth a try :)
  NannyOgg13 | Mar 27, 2021 |
Only as superb a writer as Connie Willis could take a story as chaotic as this one and make it work. ( )
  MarthaJeanne | Mar 19, 2021 |
This is the follow-up book to the sci-fi time-travel book - The Doomsday Book. I thoroughly enjoyed the first book, but was initially less enthused by the successor.
The Doomsday Book had a good balamnce of sci-fi, time-travel and a light tone which made for a fun read.
The new book, To Say Nothing of the Dog, struggled to achieve the same balance. I found the humour less humouress, and the plot descended first into farce and then into silliness. Fortunately, after the first third of the book, the balance came together again. There is not doubt that the author is highly skilled. I think the silliness that put me off may have been an attempt to capture some of the frivolity of Three Men in a Boat, on which the first part of the book is closely linked.
From that point on the book gets better and better. There are lots of interesting references to other books, both high literature and Agatha Christie; many references to historical incidents and repercussions; and many references to locations in England - all very pleasing to this reader. And enough time-travel conundrums to simulate the frequent references to the who-dunnits. ( )
  mbmackay | Feb 21, 2021 |
The blurb on this make you expect something hilarious and this wasn't that. but it had a certain charm, and was most certainly amusing in a Victorian drawing room farce kind of way.
I admit that I am very fussy when it comes to playing with the laws of physics, so a book using time travel is probably not going to be right in my wheelhouse. but this manages to pull it off very neatly. I can suspend disbelief and allow the author to break one rule of physics, or introduce one inexplicable thing, but only so long as the remainder of the book all makes scientific logical sense. And while this does allow timetravel, it alos has rules about how it is used, that you can only go backwards, that you can;t take anything that didn;t exist at the time and that you can't intentionally change the nature of history. So you can't go back in time with the intent to assissinate Hitler (no matter how much you might like to). I like a world that runs to certain rules, so this all made the acceptance of timetravel seem far more normal.
The openeing surmise has the story set in 2057, where Lady Schrapnell is buolding a copy of Coventry Cathedral, as it stood just before it was burnt down in the Blitz. She's building this in Oxford, of course. And as part of her researches she has sent historians all over the early 20th century to check various items, their location and to get details of what they looked like. The last item is the oddly named Bishop's Bird Stump, a ghastly piece of Victoriana that was seen by Lady Schrapnell's ancestor, when it changed her life. After quite some time rooting around in Coventry before and on the night of the Blitz, Ned gets severe time lag and gets sent to the Victorian era for a rest and to escape Lady Schrapnell. Only he also has a task to complete that he's not entirely paid attention to... And so the Victorian comedty of manners begins.
The other thing to love about this is the sheer number of loterary references it manages to pack in. Lord Peter Wimsey & Hercule Poriot get name checked, as does Three men in a boat. You've got to love a Historian who can pinpoint his date by which Christie novel has just been published. >:-)
It was noticable that in this book published in 1998 that there was a pandemic in the early 21st century, the author was just a few years out...
I can think of far worse ways to spend time that hurtling around a Victorian summer, trying to save the world by making sure that certain people end up in the right place at the right time to not change the course of history. It might not have bene laugh out loud funny, but it certainly made me smile multiple times. And that's no bad thin.g ( )
1 ääni Helenliz | Jan 23, 2021 |
Just as good as Doomsday Book, but much more cheerful. Reminded me, more than anything, of Jeeves and Wooster. And there's a cat!

(Cats are supposedly extinct in the future, which is probably the most implausible thing in the book. There is no animal humanity would work harder to save!) ( )
  jennelikejennay | Dec 31, 2020 |
Näyttää 1-5 (yhteensä 261) (seuraava | näytä kaikki)
To Say Nothing of the Dog is charming. It’s funny and gentle and it has Victorian England and severely time lagged time travelers from the near future freaking out over Victorian England, it’s full of jumble sales and beautiful cathedrals and kittens. This is a complicated funny story about resolving a time paradox, and at the end when all is revealed everything fits together like oiled clockwork. But what makes it worth reading is that it is about history and time and the way they relate to each other. If it’s possible to have a huge effect on the past by doing some tiny thing, it stands to reason that we have a huge effect on the future every time we do anything.
lisäsi Shortride | muokkaaTor.com, Jo Walton (Jun 24, 2010)
 
I have read several stories by Connie Willis which I have enjoyed. However, these have all been short stories or novellas. At longer lengths, based on the three Willis novels I've read, I'm afraid I subscribe to the minority opinion that her work is vastly overrated. While I'm sure To Say Nothing of the Dog will sell well and may even garner Willis another Hugo or Nebula, it is another Willis book which adds to my opinion that she should stick with short fiction and stay away from time travel.
 
Gleeful fun with a serious edge, set forth in an almost impeccable English accent.
lisäsi Shortride | muokkaaKirkus Reviews (Oct 15, 1997)
 

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Who, in Have Space Suit, Will Travel,
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There were five of us--Carruthers and the new recruit and myself, and Mr. Spivens and the verger.
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She sighed. "It's too bad. 'Placetne, magistra?' he said when he proposed, and then she said, 'Placet'. That's a fancy Oxford don way of saying yes. I had to look it up. I hate it when people use Latin and don't tell you what they mean.
It was actually more of a swoon than a faint. She slumped sedately to the flowered carpet, managing to avoid hitting any of the furniture--no small feat since the room contained a large round rosewood table, a small triangular table with a tintype album on it, a mahogany table with a bouquet of wax flowers under a glass dome on it, a horsehair sofa, a damask loveseat, a Windsor chair, a Morris chair, a Chesterfield chair, several ottomans, a writing desk, a bookcase, a knick-knack cabinet, a whatnot, a firescreen, a harp, an aspidistra, and an elephant's foot.
Plans, intentions, reasons. I could hear Professor Overforce now. "I knew it! This is nothing but an argument for a Grand Design!"

A Grand Design we couldn't see because we were part of it. A Grand Design we only got occasional, fleeting glimpses of. A Grand Design involving the entire course of history and all of time and space that, for some unfathomable reason, chose to work out its designs with cats and croquet mallets and penwipers, to say nothing of the dog. And a hideous piece of Victorian artwork. And us.

"History is character," Professor Peddick had said. And character had certainly played a part in the self-correction--Lizzie Bittner's devotion to her husband and the Colonel's refusal to wear a coat in rainy weather, Verity's fondness for cats and Princess Arjumand's fondness for fish and Hitler's temper and Mrs. Mering's gullibility. And my time-laggedness. If they were all part of the self-correction, what did that do to the notion of free will? Or was free will part of the plan as well?

One of the first symptoms of time-lag is a tendency to maudlin sentimentality, like an Irishman in his cups or a Victorian poet cold-sober.
It is a temporal universal that people never appreciate their own time, especially transportation.
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Ned Henry is badly in need of a rest. He's been shuttling between the 21st century and the 1940s searching for a Victorian atrocity called the bishop's bird stump. It's part of a project to restore the famed Coventry Cathedral, destroyed in a Nazi air raid over a hundred years earlier. But then Verity Kindle, a fellow time traveler, inadvertently brings back something from the past. Now Ned must jump back to the Victorian era to help Verity put things right--not only to save the project but to prevent altering history itself.

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