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The Years of Rice and Salt (2002)

– tekijä: Kim Stanley Robinson

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It is the fourteenth century, and one of the most apocalyptic events in human history is set to occur-the coming of the Black Death. History teaches us that a third of Europe's population was destroyed. But what if the plague had killed 99 percent of the population instead? How would the world have changed? This is a look at the history that could have been-a history that stretches across centuries, a history that sees dynasties and nations rise and crumble, a history that spans horrible famine and magnificent innovation. These are the years of rice and salt. This is a universe where the first ship to reach the New World travels across the Pacific Ocean from China and colonization spreads from west to east. This is a universe where the Industrial Revolution is triggered by the world's greatest scientific minds-in India. This is a universe where Buddhism and Islam are the most influential and practiced religions, and Christianity is merely a historical footnote. Through the eyes of soldiers and kings, explorers and philosophers, slaves and scholars, Robinson renders an immensely rich tapestry. Rewriting history and probing the most profound questions as only he can, Robinson shines his extraordinary light on the place of religion, culture, power, and even love on such an Earth. From the steppes of Asia to the shores of the Western Hemisphere, from the age of Akbar to the present and beyond, here is the stunning story of the creation of a new world.… (lisätietoja)
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didn't finish ( )
  bowendwelle | Apr 19, 2021 |
I swore off alternate histories a long time ago, but this has stayed with me through moves and I finally picked it up. Really beautiful and engrossing - every character in the centuries it spans could be a complete and unique novel unto themselves. ( )
  skolastic | Feb 2, 2021 |
This is the fourth KSR book I've read so far. The previous 3 were his "Science In The Capitol" series. In "The Years Of Rice And Salt" KSR travels back to the past, to a world where Europeans play no role. Thanks to the 14th Century Black Plague. No, this time it's about "what if the world would have been dominated by the East, under influence of the Islamic and Buddhist religions, ...".

As you can imagine, beliefs, religion, spirituality all play a key role in this novel. It's such an epic work (763 pages), that maybe, yes, it would have been better to split it into several novels. But on the other hand, it's not about all those specific stories in each proper era and setting - the book is divided into 10 books, so to speak, 10 stories in which the same characters play a role and meet each other again through reincarnation, but they don't recognize themselves until very late - but rather about the message behind it, about creating a better world for all and yourself. About growing as a human being. About equality. And yes, there's thus also political influence in this novel.

You can read about each of the ten books on KSR's website: click here.

KSR must have done a tremendous amount of research to come up with this kind of story/ies and combine them so that they make sense, somehow, that you see an evolution in how the main characters respond to the happenings in each of their 10 lives. How they act as the person they incarnated as - be that a warrior, a slave, a doctor, a scientist, an emperor, and so on - and how afterwards (in the bardo / afterlife where our fellowship regroups each time) they understand (or don't and act foolishly) their behaviour and how to change it in the next life, until the circle is round. It's also nice to see how KSR sends each group back, but in a future life. However, to me the descriptions of the future weren't always clear. It was sometimes hard to visualize it.

"The Years Of Rice And Salt" is certainly not an accessible work. It takes time and focus to grasp it all, not only because of the writing style, but also the cultural terminology. Luckily, KSR added blocks of info in Book 6. but why only there? Still, it takes definitely one (or more) re-read(s) (which I should do, but not now) to understand, to see the bigger picture, to see the complete puzzle.

The book (also) contains a lot of food for thought, be that spiritual or political. In addition, when reading these stories, you can try to apply them to how the West conquered the East, the Native Americans, Africa, etc... was it that different? Money, power, religion, ... also play(ed) a big role.

In any case, this is a eye-opening masterwork and kudos to KSR for having undertaken this gigantic quest. ( )
  TechThing | Jan 22, 2021 |
This book sounded so interesting in theory, but I couldn't get more than halfway through before I lost interest in the constantly revolving cast of characters.
  resoundingjoy | Jan 1, 2021 |
I started to read this book around 2002 or so but for whatever reason I stopped reading it. Finally, after such a long time, I picked it up again and finished it and I can't really find a reason why I never finished it in the first place.

It is a wonderful alternative earth history story book following several characters interconnected through time. It has some a bit more dull places, but overall it is a very engaging story about a what if scenario. What if Europe was ravaged by diseases and therefore the middle east and china become the so called super powers.

Wonderful book, wonderful story. ( )
  gullevek | Dec 15, 2020 |
Näyttää 1-5 (yhteensä 87) (seuraava | näytä kaikki)
If there is a weakness in Robinson's work, it is perhaps this; his characters are so intelligent that they never shut up and often have fascinating conversations for page after page about the engineering of fortifications or the reconciliation of Sufism and Confucianism or, most extendedly, the ways that history works. It is always good talk, in which everyone speaks in character. For Robinson, science fiction is not only a literature of ideas, but a literature whose characters have lots of them.
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It is the fourteenth century, and one of the most apocalyptic events in human history is set to occur-the coming of the Black Death. History teaches us that a third of Europe's population was destroyed. But what if the plague had killed 99 percent of the population instead? How would the world have changed? This is a look at the history that could have been-a history that stretches across centuries, a history that sees dynasties and nations rise and crumble, a history that spans horrible famine and magnificent innovation. These are the years of rice and salt. This is a universe where the first ship to reach the New World travels across the Pacific Ocean from China and colonization spreads from west to east. This is a universe where the Industrial Revolution is triggered by the world's greatest scientific minds-in India. This is a universe where Buddhism and Islam are the most influential and practiced religions, and Christianity is merely a historical footnote. Through the eyes of soldiers and kings, explorers and philosophers, slaves and scholars, Robinson renders an immensely rich tapestry. Rewriting history and probing the most profound questions as only he can, Robinson shines his extraordinary light on the place of religion, culture, power, and even love on such an Earth. From the steppes of Asia to the shores of the Western Hemisphere, from the age of Akbar to the present and beyond, here is the stunning story of the creation of a new world.

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