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Ruusun nimi (1980)

– tekijä: Umberto Eco

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In 1327, finding his sensitive mission at an Italian abbey further complicated by seven bizarre deaths, Brother William of Baskerville turns detective.
  1. 243
    Foucaultin heiluri (tekijä: Umberto Eco) (ehines, hankreardon, Sensei-CRS)
    ehines: Surprised not to find this way up on Name of the Rose's rec list. FP is a much more recent period piece--the period is marked by 1968 as Name of the Rose's is marked by the emergence of the Franciscans. Well done look at the conspiratorial mindset.
  2. 101
    Luostarin varjot (tekijä: C. J. Sansom) (Caramellunacy)
    Caramellunacy: Both feature ghastly murders in a monastery in a time of religious conflict and turmoil. The Name of the Rose (medieval Italy) is more philosophical, while Dissolution (Tudor England) is more of a straight-forward historical mystery. Both offer interesting insights into the political and religious issues of the times.… (lisätietoja)
  3. 113
    The Key to The Name of the Rose: Including Translations of All Non-English Passages (tekijä: Adele J. Haft) (Taphophile13)
  4. 81
    Baudolino (tekijä: Umberto Eco) (aces)
  5. 82
    Yhdeksäs portti (tekijä: Arturo Pérez-Reverte) (mrcmrc)
  6. 71
    Rikasta ja köyhää (tekijä: Charles Palliser) (Booksloth)
  7. 82
    An Instance of the Fingerpost (tekijä: Iain Pears) (Booksloth)
  8. 74
    Nimeni on Punainen (tekijä: Orhan Pamuk) (adithyajones, IamAleem)
    adithyajones: Both of them are historical mystery fiction but both are not plain vanilla whodunits rather serious books which looks at the life at that time in minute detail
  9. 74
    Jumalat juhlivat öisin (tekijä: Donna Tartt) (girlunderglass)
    girlunderglass: Two words: mystery + learned men (in The Name of the Rose, scholars of ecclesiastical books, in TSH of ancient Greek books)
  10. 31
    Fictions (tekijä: Jorge Luis Borges) (Oct326)
    Oct326: C'è molto Borges nel "Nome della Rosa". Se qualcuno ha letto il secondo ma non il primo, sarebbe un'ottima idea leggere "Finzioni": vi (ri)troverà la biblioteca labirintica, le disquisizioni teologiche, l'inchiesta con la falsa pista, e altri motivi che hanno mirabilmente (mi vien da dire: vertiginosamente) ispirato Eco.… (lisätietoja)
  11. 10
    Riivaus : romanttinen kertomus (tekijä: A. S. Byatt) (KayCliff)
    KayCliff: Both books are cited by Michael Dirda as examples of antiquarian romance.
  12. 11
    Shadow & Claw: The First Half of The Book of the New Sun (tekijä: Gene Wolfe) (LamontCranston)
  13. 00
    Päistikkaa (tekijä: Michael Frayn) (KayCliff)
    KayCliff: Both books are cited by Michael Dirda as examples of antiquarian romance.
  14. 11
    Zwischen Utopie und Wirklichkeit: Konstruierte Sprachen für die globalisierte Welt (tekijä: Jennifer Bretz) (gangleri)
  15. 00
    Ehtoollisen salat (tekijä: Javier Sierra) (Limelite)
    Limelite: Two clerics sent to investigate mysterious and secretive goings on in abbeys find death and revelation as they successfully untangle and avert the web of church politics and conflicts over man's greatest artistic and literary heritage.
  16. 22
    Doctor Mirabilis (tekijä: James Blish) (bertilak)
    bertilak: Both books have subplots about the controversial teachings of Joachim of Fiore.
  17. 22
    Ex-Libris (tekijä: Ross King) (roby72)
  18. 11
    The Athenian murders (tekijä: José Carlos Somoza) (Booksloth)
  19. 11
    Shakespearen salaisuus (tekijä: Jennifer Lee Carrell) (KayCliff)
  20. 11
    A Time to Keep Silence (tekijä: Patrick Leigh Fermor) (Laura400)
    Laura400: A brief book that relates this 20th Century author's travels to four monasteries, including extended stays in two French Benedictine monasteries. It is not a mystery or a book like "The Name of The Rose." But it is a nice meditation on a way of life that appears nearly unchanged over the centuries.… (lisätietoja)

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Näyttää 1-5 (yhteensä 264) (seuraava | näytä kaikki)
Un excellent roman, subtil dans ses interrogations sur la quête et la valeur de la vérité, parfaitement mises en abyme via le format du roman policier. A défaut de proposer des personnages extrêmement fouillés, il met très bien en scène les interrogations philosophiques et théologiques de moines d’obédiences opposés (bénédictins et franciscains, notamment). Questionnements sur la vérité et la foi sont ici entremêlés de façon subtile. ( )
  corporate_clone | Apr 5, 2021 |
I have to admit I was a bit reluctant to pick this title off my TBR shelf. Somewhere along the way I'd gathered that it's not the most straightforward of reads, and I wasn't sure if the setting of a 14th century Italian abbey and divisions within the Catholic church would grab me enough to keep me ploughing through the more challenging sections. I am, however, delighted to have found this a really worthwhile and enjoyable read.

A young novice monk named Adso accompanies his mentor, Brother William of Baskerville, to an Italian abbey famous throughout Christendom for its superlative library. Here, William will be attending a theological meeting to discuss two contentious points which have been splitting orders within the Catholic Church, namely whether Christ was poor or not and whether the pope or the Holy Roman Emperor should hold political authority in Europe. Upon arriving, the abbott tells the visitors about the recent tragedy of a young monk falling to his death from a tower at the abbey, and as William was previously an inquisitor he is asked to discretely investigate how the death occurred so the matter can be quietly put to bed before the controversial delegation arrives. In the week that is to follow more suspicious deaths occur amongst the monks, and the young novice has the learning experience of a lifetime as he observes Brother William's enhanced powers of deduction as he deciphers the secret codes and symbols of the library to find the root of the malevolence within the abbey.

This is exactly the type of subject matter I would run a mile from in a book, so I was surprised at how quickly I became hooked by the story. The setting of the ancient abbey in the Middle Ages was a superb backdrop for the "whodunnit" aspect of the plot, and with a complex cast of pious characters it wasn't obvious who the perpetrator was until close to the end. The famed library of the abbey was so mysterious it almost became a character in its own right, and I thoroughly enjoyed the many scenes that took place within it.

Heavily woven into the story are the themes of the interpretation of signs and the political fallouts within the orders within the Catholic church at that time. Eco was a professor of semiotics, and I would argue that in some passages he loses himself in the joys of his own academic specialism to the detriment of the reading experience for the average reader who may not share the same depth of joy and understanding of this complex area. Similarly, I glazed over a little as some parts of the religious divides were expounded in much lengthier detail than I needed (or wanted). However, in fairness this was the exception rather than the norm, and although The Name of the Rose required close reading to keep track with everything that was going on, I found it hugely interesting and galloped through it accordingly at a fair pace.

4 stars - a book richly rewarding in so many ways. Dropping half a star for the sections in which Eco got carried away with his own ego, and spoilt by Mantel's Cromwell trilogy I really wish the publishers had created a similar list of who's who at the beginning of this novel as the cast of characters and religious political persuasions got complicated at times. ( )
  AlisonY | Mar 31, 2021 |
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  pszolovits | Feb 3, 2021 |
I liked the setting, plot and characters, but found some passages to be slow. Felt like Eco was distracted from the story by pretentious waffling. ( )
  renardkitsune | Dec 31, 2020 |
It's 1327, and monk Brother William and his trainee/scribe/John-Watson-like sidekick Adso have arrived at an Italian abbey. There are charges of heresy flying around various mendicant orders, and William has been called to attend a meeting of the Pope's representatives (this is during the Avignon papacy) and prominent Franciscans as a representative of the Emperor. When he arrives, a monk has been found dead, and William is tasked to investigate. As more monks fall, their deaths echoing the prophecies of Revelations, William and Adso attempt to determine the actor behind the deaths and the secrets of the abbey's labyrinthine library.

This book was unapologetically pretentious, and though I really enjoyed it, I can see why others wouldn't. Even in the most tense moments of the book, it seems that there's always time to spend a few pages of dialogue (with nearly page-long passages by each interlocutor) about fine points of differences in theological leanings among various orders of Catholic monks. Someone just died? Well, when better to read a laundry list of all the holy objects in the abbey's crypt! But wow, this book appealed to the part of me that fell in love with Latin in school; it was a lot of fun to catch the passing allusions to various writers that I could ("if they wanted something here that was not more perennial than bronze..."), even though I'm sure I missed a lot of them. It's definitely a slow read, but I found it really enjoyable, especially given how impressively the historical setting and its context were rendered (and it was a total blast from the past for me as I got to remember my European history). ( )
  forsanolim | Dec 25, 2020 |
Näyttää 1-5 (yhteensä 264) (seuraava | näytä kaikki)
The Name of the Rose is a monumental exercise in mystification by a fun-loving scholar.
lisäsi Shortride | muokkaaTime, Patricia Blake (Jun 13, 1983)
 
One may find some of the digressions a touch self-indulgent... yet be carried along by Mr. Eco's knowledge and narrative skills. And if at the end the solution strikes the reader as more edifying than plausible, he has already received ample compensation from a richly stocked and eminently civilized intelligence.
 
The Jesuits didn’t exist in William of Baskerville’s time, but – learned in Aquinas and Aristotle and prepared to use the empirical techniques of Roger Bacon – William would make a very good English Jesuit. Although in orders, he lacks the rotundity, Wildean paradoxicality and compassion of Father Brown, but clearly Dr Eco knows his Chesterton. Theology and criminal detection go, for some reason, well together...

I probably do not need to recommend this book to British readers. The impetus of foreign success should ensure a large readership here. Even Ulster rednecks, to say nothing of mild Anglicans who detest Christianity cooking with garlic, will feel comforted by this image of a secure age when there was an answer to everything, when small, walled society could be self-sufficient, and the only pollution was diabolic. Patriots will be pleased to find such a society in need of British pragmatism.
lisäsi SnootyBaronet | muokkaaObserver, Anthony Burgess
 

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