"Russian" writers no longer russian?

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"Russian" writers no longer russian?

1tros
Muokkaaja: huhtikuu 19, 2023, 6:09 pm

Gogol and Bulgakov are favorite "russian" writers who are no longer "russian", any others?

2paradoxosalpha
huhtikuu 19, 2023, 8:19 pm

What makes them not "russian"? Did they not write in Russian?

3Crypto-Willobie
huhtikuu 19, 2023, 10:08 pm

gogol was of ukranian background, and bulgakov was born in kiev though to a russian fambly

4Nicole_VanK
Muokkaaja: huhtikuu 20, 2023, 9:09 am

Was Kafka Czech or Austrian? Was Swift Irish or British?
Was Apuleius Italian? - no but he seems to have been a Roman citizen.

Borders change. Countries and empires come and go over the centuries. We can use multiple entries to indicate such issues.

5paradoxosalpha
huhtikuu 20, 2023, 11:01 am

So is the OP just a reflection of edit wars in CK?

If so, >4 Nicole_VanK: has the answer.

6tros
huhtikuu 27, 2023, 2:19 pm

Gogol and Bulgakov are Ukrainian writers. Bulgakov was born in Kiev and graduated as a medical doctor from there.
Only Putin's propagandists should call them "russian".

7prosfilaes
huhtikuu 27, 2023, 2:51 pm

Gogol wrote in the Russian language and lived much of the later part of his life in Moscow. He was, in fact, a proponent of the Russian Empire and Orthodox Church as a unifier over all Slavs. Bulgakov moved to Moscow, apparently planning on living there forever, and when Stalin asked him if he intended to leave the Soviet Union, he is quoted as saying "a Russian writer cannot live outside of his homeland."

Life is complex, identity is hard, and this whole rewriting history to put someone in our camp is just annoying.

8tros
Muokkaaja: huhtikuu 28, 2023, 12:17 am

current circumstances are re-writing "history" whether you're annoyed or not. maybe it's time to re-evaluate"russian" literature?

9prosfilaes
huhtikuu 28, 2023, 7:38 am

Russian literature is a lot like English literature; a significant number of its authors are not clearly from the metropole, and yet they still contributed to the literature of the empire as much or more then that of their homeland. Look at Lolita; is that Russian literature? Is The Heart of Darkness Polish?

10MASK1970
toukokuu 4, 2023, 9:02 am

Bulgakov looked down on the Ukrainian language and the country's independence. Gogol, while being a man of his time, very much identified as a Ukrainian. Of course, he couldn't publish in Ukrainian as it was forbidden.

11tros
Muokkaaja: toukokuu 9, 2023, 7:30 am

There seems to be a lot of nit-picking about what is Ukrainian nationality. Can a comment in Stalin's russia cancel Ukrainian nationality? Gogol and Bulgakov shouldn't be considered 'Russian' while Ukrainians are being killed by Russians.

12prosfilaes
toukokuu 9, 2023, 10:34 am

>11 tros: Gogol and Bulgakov shouldn't be considered 'Russian' while Ukrainians are being killed by Russians.

Why? How does what is happening decades or centuries after they died change who they were, what they did?

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