FIRST EDITION: THE TALE OF SINUHE
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Congratulations to the proposer, glacierman, and to all who have participated in this experiment so far.
We will reach out today to the proposer, designer, and our Advisory Board to get this started. However, per our rules: Major decisions will be made by vote of the membership, if not already specified in the adopted proposal.
Therefore, we may request further member input.
We will keep members updated on this thread.
1. Max Koch will be printing The Tale of Sinuhe.
2. As the puzzle pieces come together, we have a clearer idea of how much the edition will cost to produce. We anticipate that the price for members will be on the lower end of the Advisory Board estimate.
And our designer, Mark Askam, has the MS in hand.
PLEASE USE THIS FORM TO PLACE YOUR ORDER.
We will need a minimum of 60 orders to proceed with this edition.
The deadline is May 1st.
Update: I had meant to schedule the all membership email for tomorrow morning, but it appears accidentally sent it now. The website mechanics are still new to me. A reminder email is scheduled for next week.
Upon submitting the form, I expected to receive an email with payment link - so far, nothing. Is this what is called "placing an order"? I am confused. From the posts above it looks like people are actually paying.
However, it would be nice to get a confirmation email in the meantime (to reassure people they're on the list!).
(1) It has, "Thank you for your order," which is confirmation that an order has been placed.
(2) It also states that invoicing will happen after a sufficient number of orders are received.
I think it's easier to take payment later to avoid the possible headache of processing many refunds if the minimum order quantity isn't reached.
I agree that a confirmation email would be nice too, but I recall we had a similar process during voting, where we didn't get confirmation by email until a certain round/phase/process was done. Once each process was complete though, I think the Consensus Press team has done of great job of being fully transparent and showing the data. I expect not having instant email notifications after Google form submissions may be a limitation of how our infrastructure is set up. Considering that everything has been done on the cheap (we haven't forked out a cent yet), I can certainly live with the delayed email confirmation.
Furthermore, for anyone who has concerns about whether the order went through, I expect you could either resubmit your form to overwrite the previous submission/order that you placed (and thus have a chance to see this confirmation screen I've shown above for yourself) or else reach out to the Consensus Press admin team to inquire as I can vouch that they have been helpful and responsive when I had a previous query.
We will be directly reaching out to members who haven't yet ordered The Tale of Sinuhe several times before the May 1st deadline.
For some reason, Google Forms isn't automatically sending a receipt.
15 to go before we are good to proceed with production.
Five to go.
Sixty members have submitted orders, meaning that production will proceed.
Invoices will begin going out today.
Any member who hasn't submitted an order has until May 1st to do so.
We haven't signed the contract yet, but it does look like Alanna Simenson will be the binder. That means:
Designer — Mark Askam
Printer — Max Koch
Binder — Alanna Simenson
A phenomenal team. I couldn't be more excited for this edition.
I will order it too, but it was an expensive month and have to wait until I get my next wage.
In the meantime, if you haven't ordered yet, please do: https://forms.gle/3XpXBuSbe8EMsFGL7
Reminder: Members still have until May 1st to submit orders.
It would be good if members could log into the website and see whether their order has been 'paid', 'placed' or 'unordered' currently to avoid confusion
64 members have placed orders, and the majority have paid. We are still waiting to send a further 15 invoices for submitted orders.
The fund has reached $13,867.85 which is sufficient to pay for the permissions, all materials, and the printing.
We will post polls soon regarding a few design decisions for the membership.
As a likely drop-out I am delighted to know this is going ahead! I can’t justify the expenditure but would have felt really bad about being part of a passively deciding minority against.
The Tale of Sinuhe is considered one of the finest works of ancient Egyptian literature, a true classic. Composed around 1875 BC in Middle Egyptian, it is today largely considered a work of fiction. Fiction or fact, the universal nature of the themes explored in Sinuhe, including divine providence and mercy, make it a classic. Parallels have been drawn between the Biblical story of Joseph and other Biblical tales. Its anonymous author has been described as the “Egyptian Shakespeare.” This nearly 4000 year old literary work is truly deserving of a fine press edition.
The translation of R. B. Parkinson is in copyright, but the permissions should not be too hard to obtain. The text as published by Oxford (1998) includes a 6 page introduction, which might either be reprinted or perhaps he would be willing to write a new one for this particular edition. The Oxford printing is accompanied by copious endnotes (11 pp.) which may be included either in toto or as a selection made by the translator. Whichever is used, the notes are essential to full understanding of the text.
Paper: I leave the final choice to the printer, but would suggest Zerkall Book, 145 gsm, vellum finish, cream (if you can get it); Johannot, white, 125 gsm (Legion); or Fabriano Roma, cream, 130 gsm. Choice of paper will determine final actual dimensions of book, but generally, 8vo.
Type: 14 pt Golden Cockerel for the text with GC Titling Caps on the t. p. and drop caps. Digital versions are available, or lacking that, either Goudy Old Style with its accompanying italic or Kennerly.
Other typographic consideration
Simple two-color title page; justified margins (I hate ragged margins); judicious use of the second color in the text block, primarily in drop-caps. For the second color, use RGB 200, 54, 66 (CMYK 0, 146, 134, 55).
Layout: Apply the elsewhere-mentioned J. A. Van De Graaf Canon but with the Tschichold page ratio of 2:3. This layout results in a very beautiful two-page spread.
A reproduction of the hieratic script of the tale as found on the Papyrus R (Berlin 10499), if feasible, would make a nice illus to go with the introduction. No text illustrations at all.
Hand-sewn headbands of ultramarine (TALAS Headband silk thread, blueberry) and gold (TALAS Headband silk thread, gold); signatures hand sewn on linen tapes; spine rounded and backed.
Attach the boards using a Harrison groove (supported French groove) which requires split boards.
Smooth spine, regardless of board attachment method. T. e. g., others untrimmed.
Wheat yellow buckram spine (TALAS Buckram color #260), sides of blue marbled paper with gold highlights ( TALAS French P marbled paper, color #924). This is a linen buckram.
Front board with “Sinuhe” in hieroglyphics (obtained from the translator) printed on an inset papyrus label, spine stamped in blue with title (“Sinuhe”) and at bottom of spine, “CP”.
Chemise covered in Kennet Bookcloth, Royal Blue (TALAS); slipcase covered in the same material as the spine of the book.
Regarding 'The text as published by Oxford (1998) includes a 6 page introduction, which might either be reprinted or perhaps he would be willing to write a new one for this particular edition.' Has this been looked into? Would R B Parkinson be willing to write a new or adapted introduction? Perhaps he would also be willing to sign this edition?
Tomorrow, members who didn't order the edition will be removed and we will proceed with a ballot for changes to the proposal. Then, production begins.
as >81 kermaier: says, 176 people expressed interest. I can't recall what choices we might have voted on (if any) prior to submitting the proposals for Round 1. On October 7, 2022, Consensus Press sent out an email to confirm that there were only 126 proposals submitted by members, which was a requirement to maintain membership. So, the maximum number of members who could have made a purchase of the first edition was 126.
A snippet from the email.
The number of members after proposals were submitted: 126 (-50)
The number of members after voting: 122 (-4)
The number of members who have ordered the The Tale of Sinuhe so far: 72 (-50)
We'll have some big updates in the next few days once we cut down the members roster.
I made the incorrect assumption that we would've lost zero people in the voting phase. That's egg on my face. I figured that the voting was the fun part (and was much easier than the proposal phase).
I ended up not ordering this volume, but am definitely interested in the possibilities of a second volume if/when that is an issue.
Algernon and Sinuhe didn't simply "win the vote". The second round was ranked choice voting. So these two were the ones with the highest likelihood of being purchased.
I did not receive the ballot, though I did order the book.
Was it sent yesterday? I still did not receive it.
We should have a production schedule posted by the end of the month.
I would suggest therefore that a proposer, if suggesting a work in copyright, do some investigation prior in order to establish the difficulty--or lack thereof--of obtaining the rights. This would, I think, serve to reduce the probability of the kind of problem we experienced this time with the original selection.
No offense meant, but that is a terrible idea. If you think that I (or anyone else) want to spend time researching the likelihood of obtaining the rights to a work still protected by copyright as a pre-condition to submitting a proposal, well, guess again. I would simply walk away from the entire Consensus Press concept.
With Conversation Tree Press acquiring the rights to Flowers for Algernon, it has now become irrelevant. I have little doubt Tony Geer will design and publish an issue superior to whatever the cost-constrained Consensus Press would have issued.
NOTE: I corrected my answer to reflect reality versus my fuzzy memory.
1. Mark has a preliminary design done and it looks good.
2. The paper is on its way to the printer, Max Koch, in Austin.
3. The translator, Prof. Parkinson, will be providing a graphic for our use consisting of the name Sinuhe (or perhaps the alternate, Sanehat, in hieroglyphics and in hieratic and we'll pick one...or maybe both.
4. Prof. Parkinson will also be providing us with his recent revisions: there are a few places where I've changed my mind about the translation (wording only, nothing that alters page-layout in a major way.... This will be the first publication of those revisions.
5. We are going to see if he would be amenable to signing our edition as I believe he will be.
All in all, Prof. Parkinson's direct contributions will enhance this edition. This is getting even more exciting with time!
I can hardly wait to see the finished book.
for the Press,
Glacierman (Richard Hardesty)
Thank you for the updates and looking forward to seeing what else you got up your sleeve. I'm excited about this project!
In a sense, as it will bear his name in hieroglyphics on the front cover. :-D
Do we have a sense of the timeline at this point? This questions should be taken as an attempt to gratify my curiousity rather than implying impatience etc.
One new development to which I made reference above (post 131) is that the good professor will be revising and updating the introduction. This won't happen until late this month.
Once Mark has the revised text and intro in hand, it should not take him too long to update the design and things should proceed apace from that point on. Once Mark has the design finalized, then the plates can be ordered, etc. I'm not in a position at this time to hazard a guess as to when the book will be finished other than it will be done well before the end of the year, barring any unforeseen disasters.
I am getting more and more excited about this project as time goes on, especially now that Prof. Parkinson is directly involved. He is quite taken with it.
So now, we wait......
I was wondering if the plan is to still select begin the process of selecting the next title in the autumn or whether we wait until Sinuhe is out the door first. As with >134 gmacaree:, no rush at my end, just curiosity.
👏 A special thanks to Richard whose work behind the scenes has made these developments possible! 👏
The issue, it turned out, was that Velke Losiny did not include a commercial invoice with the package. That, combined with the fact that the paper was being shipped to Max Koch, who did not purchase it and is not registered as an importer, left customs scratching their heads. Basically, the package had no information linking it to a real importer or exporter. Therefore, FedEx was going to destroy it. I got on the phone with them and claimed it as a No Reply import, and then it cleared right away. We are actually running into a few problems on the back-end with Consensus Press being a legally fictitious entity, so if we go for a second edition, I think it would be wise to set up a 501(c)(3) with a few trustees.
By all means, destroy that dangerous illegal paper! Lord knows what its street value is. /sarcasm
I think the ligature imprint marks (where the C and P are combined) look much more elegant than the non-ligature. This is a fine press enterprise after all, I think a little typographic flair is called for.
We are days away from sending The Tale of Sinuhe to Max for printing. Mark has gone through the typography with an ultra-microscopic fine toothed comb. If he goes through it one last time, his brain will turn to mush, so we're cutting him loose and Richard or I will do the final proofread.
If you would like to help proofread The Tale of Sinuhe before it goes to press, please email me (email@example.com).
I know from experience that no matter how sharp your eyes, you'll miss something – even the obvious! So the more proofreaders the better.
Oh, yeah. It's happening.
One cloud in the sky:
I just received word from Max that his current project on press is behind schedule, so he won't be able to put Sinuhe on press right away. This may have no effect whatsoever, since we're planning on having Parkinson sign in late October anyway. But, if Max can't deliver the sheets before then – well, we'll see!
I'd give an "honest best guess" estimate of Sinuhe shipping to members around March 2024. Speaking of which, if anybody would like to volunteer to help with shipping...
Teamwork makes the dream work.
And actually, you're not thaaat far from Portland. You should come visit when it's on press. Print it yourself!
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