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Arete's Upcoming Publications

1Praveenna_Nagaratnam
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 10:22 am

Just received the newsletter from Arete Editions.
Looks like they will be doing The Curious Case of Benjamin Button as well as Lud in the Mist and A Brave New World.

2marceloanciano
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 11:45 am

>1 Praveenna_Nagaratnam: whoops, that was an email earlier draft that went out accidentally, we took out Benjamin Button, because although we are talking to Dave McKean, nothing was confirmed, so we took it out and added other stuff about the cases and stuff.

3NathanOv
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 12:25 pm

>2 marceloanciano: Glad I saw this since I missed that second email - every new detail about Frozen Hell is more and more exciting! I'm hoping that I can get my hands on whichever state that fantastic looking solander belongs to ...

4SolerSystem
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 12:51 pm

I just hope there's a fine edition again this time so I can afford it haha

5GardenOfForkingPaths
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 1:04 pm

>4 SolerSystem: I was just wondering that too!

Marcelo, are you able to say if there will be a ‘Fine’ edition of Frozen Hell?

6marceloanciano
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 1:34 pm

>5 GardenOfForkingPaths: Really haven't worked out whether it would be possible to do a 'fine' edition yet, it's because of the paintings, some of them are so large and long that it would mean either cutting the image down so we could print on a two page spread or redesigning the book so they were tipped in, which would make it so expensive with as many painting as we have. And, although we make very little money on the 'fine' editions, they still come out pretty expensive and a lot of buyers don't know the cost of metal letterpress printing so think we are taking them for a ride, which is just not the case. So to add the cost of tipped in ....

Also, I'm sure you other publishers are finding, paper, leather, boards and shipping is becoming REALLY expensive, so trying to keep a book to under a price range is proving...tricky.

7GardenOfForkingPaths
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 1:48 pm

>6 marceloanciano: Thanks! I appreciate the insight into the process and all the considerations involved. Looking forward to following the updates in the coming months.

8marceloanciano
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 1:53 pm

>7 GardenOfForkingPaths: Thanks! Having said that I have always liked the idea that we have books in the store that people can buy when they want, and can afford them, instead of when we put them up for sale.

9marceloanciano
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 1:58 pm

>3 NathanOv: Nathan, yeah! The solander box will be a split bradel binding and looks stunning! It will be part of the 'lettered' or 'Roman numeral' edition, only thirty or so to make... and the cover of the book inside and the interior of the box, well, can't wait to show what we are playing with, and Rich is really playing with some great ideas.

10mholt
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 3:28 pm

>1 Praveenna_Nagaratnam: I didn't receive the newsletter, but have signed up for those going forward. Were there any production updates on Death and Honey?

11NathanOv
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 3:48 pm

>10 mholt: "Ludlow Bookbinders are hard at work on our three editions of The Case of Death and Honey. We had hoped that they would be finished by the end of this month but it is a large and complex job and is taking longer than expected. We now plan to start shipping at the end of April or the beginning of May."

12mholt
maaliskuu 23, 2022, 3:55 pm

>11 NathanOv: Perfect. Thanks!

13Shadekeep
elokuu 2, 2023, 12:17 pm

The email announcement for Frozen Hell is out today. Two editions, both of which look fantastic. Pre-order will be coming soon. Not sure how much is intended for the public, so this post is deliberately terse.

14NathanOv
Muokkaaja: elokuu 2, 2023, 12:47 pm

>13 Shadekeep: Still out of reach for most, but I expected that Roman Edition to be running $4k+ with all the recent news.

I'm thrilled to hear that the numbered has the lay-flat illustrations, though. That is the most interesting element of this project, IMO.

15LeBacon
elokuu 2, 2023, 12:38 pm

Oh my. Love that "thing" on the slipcase.

I'm already onboard for a "The Devil in the 19th Century" Demonic Collection copy for that Kickstarter which ends the following week so I'm too tapped to go for this one but it is very, very pretty.

16marceloanciano
elokuu 2, 2023, 12:39 pm

>13 Shadekeep: Thanks for being discrete, and thanks for the compliment! It was two years in the making. The info in the email will all be going out in a day or so on the blog and social media anyway, just wanted the collectors on the email list to have first look is all. Feel free to reveal what you like!

17Ragnaroek
elokuu 2, 2023, 12:49 pm

>16 marceloanciano:
Looks absolutely fantastic. ❤️‍🔥❤️🤗
I ordered my Credit Card today and hope it will arrive ASAP, this is an instant buy for me , if it won't sell out in days or hours.. Panic 🥶😶‍🌫️

18Shadekeep
elokuu 2, 2023, 1:27 pm

>16 marceloanciano: Thanks, and I'm going to try to budget for one of the Numbered Editions. As much as I'd love a Roman Edition, I've other book expenses going on (he says cryptically).

Curious to see and feel the Liber Charta paper, I don't believe I have a book made with that yet. It sounds lovely.

19Dr.Fiddy
elokuu 2, 2023, 2:43 pm

>16 marceloanciano: I have followed your updates on this beautiful book, and I think it looks fantastic! I was lucky enough to get the Numbered Edition of The Case of Death and Honey, so I will definitely try to get the Numbered Edition of Frozen Hell as well... 😊

20GardenOfForkingPaths
elokuu 2, 2023, 3:22 pm

>16 marceloanciano: I really enjoyed the videos showing these two editions being bound. Incredible design, craftsmanship, and attention to detail.

The Roman Edition looks hugely impressive. Completely out of my league but amazing to behold! I don't understand how the leather doesn't get creased and puckered when it's being moulded like that.

21marceloanciano
elokuu 2, 2023, 4:03 pm

>20 GardenOfForkingPaths: Yeah! It's amazing isn't it? I think it's just very skilled leather work.

22marceloanciano
elokuu 2, 2023, 4:05 pm

>19 Dr.Fiddy: Thanks for your support! FH is a definite book binding and interior companion to D&H...maybe not the stories!

23ultrarightist
elokuu 2, 2023, 5:14 pm

This looks fantastic. I will definitely be going for the Numbered edition.

24marceloanciano
Muokkaaja: elokuu 3, 2023, 1:27 pm

Photos, I hope anyway, I can never really work out how to do this, and they are still coming out small! Damn. (What am I doing wrong?!!) Of our FROZEN HELL editions. This has been a long time coming, a two-year project that was way more complex than we thought, the interior with plates sewn in and tabbed in the sections, the scale of the Roman edition. The availability of materials, closing down of paper makers, all have contributed to the delays. We’re really pleased with the results, even if I say myself, it has turned out to be an extraordinary book!

The numbered edition is limited to 300 copies for sale and is fully bound in baby blue lambskin nappa which is soft and smooth to the touch. The leather is blocked in four passes, in white and black pigment foil creating a snowstorm design across the front and back boards, with the title on the spine.
The cover is a square spine structure with a wide groove between spine and boards, allowing the covers to open more freely.
All of the plates are tabbed or sewn in, allowing the double, treble and quad plates to open out without a stitched gutter.
The book is housed in a sturdy, white suede lined slipcase and is covered in a light blue/grey Windsor cloth with the ‘thing’ silhouette foil blocked to the front.

Binding is by Richard Tong and Sam Cartwright at Lyra’s Books/Ludlow Bookbinders.

Printed letterpress in two colours by Phil Abel and Robert Hetherington on a Heidelberg cylinder press at Hand & Eye Editions.
Set in metal monotype Baskerville 12pt.
Cast by Nick Gill at Effra Press.

The paper is Liber Charta 170gsm

Trimmed page size –200mm x 300mm / 7.9 in x 11.8 in
Page count – 166
Number of illustrations – 16 colour plates, 2 four-page foldouts, 4 double page spreads and 1 three-page foldout plate.
13 black and white relief printed illustrations.
Signed by the artist Greg Manchess
Limitation – 320 copies of which 300 are for sale and 20 Hors de Commerce

Price: £585

ROMAN

The Roman edition is limited to 30 copies for sale and is half-bradel bound in white Harmatan ‘Katsina’ goatskin leather with multiple cut-outs to the front board.
The ice cave structure on the front board of this huge edition is created with multiple layers of thin binder’s board hand cut and laminated together. The leather is then painstakingly moulded and formed by hand until the layers reveal themselves. Once the leather is set, the inside of the ice cave is carefully foil blocked in two colours. Both the front and back boards for this edition are around 10mm thick which creates a considerable and weighty book.

All of the plates are tabbed or sewn in, allowing the double, treble and quad plates to open out without a stitched gutter.

The endpapers for this edition are an original, hand marbled design by Freya Scott of Paperwilds.

The book comes housed in a half-bradel bound solander box, also covered with Harmatan ‘Katsina’ goatskin leather. The front board is split to create a crevasse in which the buried flying saucer lies. The saucer is foil blocked in three colours and the edges of the crevasse are hand cut from board before the leather is applied and then carefully moulded around the jagged edges. On the spine is a silk paper label, foil blocked in two colours. The solander box trays are double thickness and are covered in white Colorado cloth and lined with white suede and white leather. The large tray contains a foil blocked silhouette of the ‘thing’. Inside the small tray, under the book, is a cloth bound portfolio with a three-sided pocket containing an original, mounted sketch by Greg Manchess.

Binding is by Richard Tong and Sam Cartwright at Lyra’s Books/Ludlow Bookbinders.

You can see videos of how this edition is created HERE

Printed letterpress in two colours by Phil Abel and Robert Hetherington on a
Heidelberg cylinder press at Hand & Eye Editions.
Set in metal monotype Baskerville 12pt.
Cast by Nick Gill at Effra Press.

The paper is Magnani Pescia 160 gsm

Trimmed page size –260mm x 390mm / 10.25in x 15.35in.
Page count – 166
Number of illustrations – 16 colour plates, 2 four-page foldouts, 4 double page spreads and 1 three-page foldout plate.
13 black and white relief printed illustrations.
Signed by the artist Greg Manchess.
Limitation – 40 copies of which 30 are for sale and 10 Hors de Commerce

Price: £2950

ESTIMATED PUBLICATION Spring 2024































Edited to add: film of the making of the Numbered edition here: https://arete-editions-blog.com/frozen-hell-numbered-edition/
Film of the making of the Roman edition here: https://arete-editions-blog.com/frozen-hell-roman-edition/
as they didn't come through on the blurb above

25Ragnaroek
elokuu 3, 2023, 9:27 am

I would have loved to have Who Goes There and Frozen Hell in one volume 😊

26Shadekeep
elokuu 3, 2023, 9:53 am

>24 marceloanciano: The design of the Roman Edition is one of the best limited editions I have ever seen, full stop. If it were within reach I'd be proud to have it.

As for your photo woes, the website where you upload them gives you some choices as to how to link the image. I can see the large originals by right-clicking on a photo and doing "open image in new tab". It looks like you are using the "Thumbnail for forums" option they offer, which are the small images linked to their site for the full-sized versions. Try using the "Direct link" option instead and manually specify the size, like so. You'll need to write out the full image tag by hand and put the link in the "src" attribute. The "width" attribute is the desired image width in pixels.

<img src="https://i.postimg.cc/52h3PmZr/frozen-m.jpg" width="600"/>

Result:

27marceloanciano
elokuu 3, 2023, 10:02 am

>26 Shadekeep: ahh, think I got that! Thank you for your kind words! The book feels extraordinary in hand, so pleased with the way it came out.

28SF-72
Muokkaaja: elokuu 3, 2023, 2:33 pm

These books are absolutely gorgeous and clearly a labour of love. They're very impressive. I wish I could afford the Roman edition, but that's beyond my means. It's still a pleasure just to look at it - I've never seen anything like what you did with the leather on the front. But the numbered edition is also very beautiful and I'll try for that one.

The books I already have from you are such a pleasure. What you do with them really enhances the reading experience in addition to the books just being such a beauty themselves.

29marceloanciano
elokuu 3, 2023, 12:08 pm

>28 SF-72: Thank you so much, we, Greg and I, really were attempting to make the reading experience immersive in the book, both with the covers by Rich and the interiors. It is a shame that there will only be a few that have the experience of the Roman though, the scale of white paper and the explosion of massive plates is really immersive and impressive, but, wow, the cost and time of making it! The numbered is much more manageable, both in hand and it fits on the shelf and I am soo pleased and chuffed with the way it came out. It has an elegance about it.

30SDB2012
elokuu 3, 2023, 2:52 pm

31astropi
elokuu 3, 2023, 4:02 pm

I'm curious how many people who purchased the wonderful fine press edition of "Who Goes There?" by Angel Bomb will also purchase Frozen Hell? The latter was never published by Campbell, which makes you wonder if he actually preferred the shorter "Who Goes There?" or if he never had time to finish the longer Frozen Hell? Anyway, for anyone still looking for a copy of Who Goes There --
https://www.angelbomb.com/shop-2/who-goes-there-standard-edition

32jsg1976
elokuu 3, 2023, 4:11 pm

>31 astropi: that is my concern about the Arete edition. It’s not my usual genre, but the Arete version itself looks so impressive I might be willing to take the risk - though if the story is better as a novella than a full length novel, that changes the calculus

33Ragnaroek
elokuu 3, 2023, 6:18 pm

The community is splited tbh.
50% like the edited version more and 50% the unedited (Frozen Hell)

34astropi
elokuu 3, 2023, 6:34 pm

Found a nice source -
https://bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3706147/frozen-hell-the-history-of-the-...

The most noticeable difference between Frozen Hell and “Who Goes There?” is that the first three chapters are essentially removed for the shorter version. These chapters are actually quite good, but they are unnecessary. The information needed from them is summarized in McReady’s (this is how the name is spelled in the novella) recounting of the finding and accidental destruction of the spacecraft and the discovery of the Thing frozen in the Antarctic ice in the first chapter of “Who Goes There?” Beginning in its fourth chapter, Frozen Hell begins to resemble its legendary final version more and more. By the end it features almost no differences from the final version. Ultimately, “Who Goes There?” benefits from a quicker pace and the sense of claustrophobia amplified by confining the entirety of the story to Big Magnet base, but Frozen Hell is still a worthy read for those interested in Campbell’s work.

35ultrarightist
Muokkaaja: elokuu 3, 2023, 6:41 pm

Does anyone know whether Campbell's edits were prompted by his own preferences as the author or by pressure from his editor/publisher to shorten the story based on some pre-defined length for publication? In other words, was the edit the author's intent or the publisher's requirement?

36astropi
elokuu 3, 2023, 7:38 pm

>35 ultrarightist: Good question - again, referring to the link I have above, this is what they note

Sometime in the spring of 1937, while still struggling to make any sort of living as a writer, he pitched an idea to the editor of Argosy magazine, Jack Byrne, to use the thushol from “Brain-Stealers” in a horror story set on earth. Byrne liked the idea and Campbell set out to write the story and had completed the first version, titled Frozen Hell, within a couple of months of this meeting. The story was rejected by Byrne, who according to Campbell said, “it’s a good yarn, good ideas, good writing. But there aren’t any characters in it.” This novel was later revised and streamlined into the final version of “Who Goes There?” It wasn’t until 2011 that there was even wide knowledge that this longer version existed, and at the time it was assumed to be lost. While working on a biography of Campbell in 2017, author Alec Nevala-Lee discovered several manuscripts including two folders bearing the label “Pandora” or “Frozen Hell.” This longer version of the story was published in 2019 and offers a glimpse into the composition and revision process of a gifted writer and editor.

37Shadekeep
elokuu 3, 2023, 8:41 pm

>31 astropi: I do have that edition of Who Goes There? and am going to try my darnedest to get Frozen Hell. Some years ago I backed the KS that brought out the first edition of Frozen Hell. There were some issues with that release however, whereas I feel the Areté version will be getting everything perfect.

38marceloanciano
elokuu 4, 2023, 6:14 am

>32 jsg1976: >33 Ragnaroek: Gotta say, I preferred the longer version. Call me old fashioned but I like the way you got know the characters as scientists first, you got a sense of them being driven by science. Their ‘ordinary’, normal, lives before they find the anomaly. Then comes their change in behaviour when the creature is brought into their camp. Their paranoia is more grounded I feel. I liked it more. It also feels like an adventure structure than only a horror structure. As to whether the writer liked the cut down, more modern approach, who knows? A success of the cut down story may mean that; why change it? For him anyway.

39Ragnaroek
elokuu 4, 2023, 9:59 am

>38 marceloanciano:
Yeah. It feels more real. 🙂
Is the book ready for shipping ?

40ultrarightist
Muokkaaja: elokuu 4, 2023, 11:03 am

>38 marceloanciano: Interesting that you and Byrne (per >36 astropi:) essentially reached opposite conclusions about character development in the longer version. I have not read either version yet, but I struggle to conceive how removing those pre-anomaly chapters could in any way enhance (rather than detract from) character development.

In any case, I'm looking forward to reading it and having another fine Arete edition in my collection.

41marceloanciano
elokuu 4, 2023, 12:36 pm

>39 Ragnaroek: We're doing pre-sales to get enough money in to make the book, delivery will be in the first quarter of 24, might well be sooner but it is a complex production.

42Ragnaroek
elokuu 4, 2023, 3:14 pm

43Shadekeep
elokuu 12, 2023, 12:05 pm

Frozen Hell is up for order now, but curiously I'm getting a "No shipping options for this location, package weight and total." message when checking out. I'm at a home address in Virginia, not sure why it's not allowing it.

44supercell
Muokkaaja: tammikuu 6, 8:02 am

Viestin kirjoittaja on poistanut viestin.

45Shadekeep
elokuu 12, 2023, 12:08 pm

>44 supercell: Try again, I got that too as per my earlier post. The order went through now. Possibly the system was overloaded.

Current tally is 262, so quite a few sold just during my checkout process.

46NathanOv
elokuu 12, 2023, 12:08 pm

>44 supercell: they’ve fixed the shipping issue

47supercell
Muokkaaja: tammikuu 6, 8:02 am

Viestin kirjoittaja on poistanut viestin.

48Ragnaroek
elokuu 12, 2023, 12:12 pm

I have the same error...
Doesnt work. No matter what I do. I will wait some time.

49SDB2012
elokuu 12, 2023, 12:24 pm

Try Google pay if you have that. I had the same error trying with a credit card, but Google pay worked.

My bank flagged the order for fraud so had to go back and do it again.

50koszakedv
elokuu 12, 2023, 12:24 pm

£67.00 as shipping to Sweden is a lot. I think I will pass on this.

51supercell
Muokkaaja: tammikuu 6, 8:02 am

Viestin kirjoittaja on poistanut viestin.

52Ragnaroek
elokuu 12, 2023, 12:31 pm

Ordered my copy ❤️‍🔥😊👍

53Shadekeep
elokuu 12, 2023, 12:34 pm

Congrats on everyone who's getting the order to go through. The shipping is a touch high, but a small fraction of the item price and worth it to get the book delivered safely.

Current remaining copies are 10 Roman and 222 Numbered.

54Dr.Fiddy
elokuu 12, 2023, 3:38 pm

Luckily, my order of the Numbered Edition went through right away 😊
I thought it would have sold better in the first few hours though (212 remaining now), but maybe the price is putting people off? The shipping is certainly high; £67 is the most I have paid within Europe so far...

55Objectr
elokuu 12, 2023, 4:14 pm

The lack of PayPal, plus restrictions for only Mastercard & Visa are both putting me off. Unfortunate.

56Ragnaroek
Muokkaaja: elokuu 12, 2023, 4:37 pm

>55 Objectr:
I can understand that, but you can safe alot of money if you pay without PayPal, when there is an currency change involved. ( PayPal charges you arround 2-6% which is insane)
You can check out "Revolut", there you can order an credit card without currency change charges and monthly/yearly fees.
I can highly recommend that.

57kdweber
elokuu 12, 2023, 6:14 pm

>56 Ragnaroek: They stopped using PayPal because PayPal kept the money for months before passing it on.

58Ragnaroek
elokuu 12, 2023, 6:24 pm

>57 kdweber: oh yes I know 😊
I ordered an credit card myself and iam proud I dont have to pay with PayPal anymore. Like I wrote are the currency change fees at PayPal extremely high. With my credit card I don't have any anymore.

59Shadekeep
elokuu 12, 2023, 6:36 pm

>54 Dr.Fiddy: I thought it would go pretty quick as well, even though it's one of the most expensive fine press books I've bought. I even set a phone alarm for the moment it came out. The Roman is down to 8, which is a nice sign at least, and good for Arete. We'll see how many of the Numbered remain after a month.

60astropi
elokuu 12, 2023, 6:45 pm

Shipping is expensive, but fair. I know that shipping anything internationally is never cheap. The total in USD is about $830 -- not going to lie, that's a lot of money. I wish there was a way to pay in installments.

61Ragnaroek
Muokkaaja: elokuu 12, 2023, 7:59 pm

>59 Shadekeep:
I'm not sure this is an extremely popular/ well known book outside the fan base 🤔
It will take a long time to sell out in my opinion. Most people only know this book under the title "Who Goes There?" .
There is an Letterpress gorgeous version from angel bomb which isn't sold out right now.
Btw iam sure If this would have been an Suntup title it had been sold out already do the right system and all the speculants😅

62Ragnaroek
elokuu 12, 2023, 7:57 pm

>60 astropi: I only know Suntup and Books Illustrated offer this kind of service

63BooksFriendsNotFood
elokuu 12, 2023, 8:23 pm

>60 astropi: According to a Facebook update from Arete, it looks like paying in installments is possible.

https://www.facebook.com/AreteEditions/posts/pfbid021aWXmsT2NFdarrSDAfqdorH6RWaM...

64wcarter
elokuu 12, 2023, 8:35 pm

Interesting that John Campbell's name as the author of Frozen Hell appears nowhere on the Arete site.

65Ragnaroek
Muokkaaja: elokuu 12, 2023, 11:04 pm

>63 BooksFriendsNotFood:
Interesting, but would paying with PayPal then really be so bad ? I mean okay, 3 month with no money (in the worst case) , the installment would be better, but not everyone has a credit card or want one.
(I like mine since iam no native UK or USA ...)

66Shadekeep
elokuu 13, 2023, 12:08 am

>61 Ragnaroek: It's certainly not as well known as the novella, especially as its existence has only been known for much shorter span of years. It has developed some cachet, but I was more expecting this to sell out quickly based on Arete's reputation. It is not a cheap book however, and is likely to give many in the usual audience pause.

67Ragnaroek
Muokkaaja: elokuu 13, 2023, 12:54 am

>66 Shadekeep: I just found out recently about Arete and iam deeply shaken that I have missed out on the The Case of Honey.... 😞

It's not a good thing if you keep alot of stock for very long in this kind of business I assume since you need to pay the production in advance. 320× ~ 500£ + 40× 2950£ is alot of money. ( yeah I know there is the profit already included, but still a hefty sum )

I hope my numbered edition will arrive ASAP, probably early next year. Its so gorgeous and designed with love.

And some amazing works are still on the way.
1.Benjamin Button
2. Brave new world
And from Lyras
3. Wizard if Oz
3.1 ( the remaining stock of standard Caroline's)

68supercell
Muokkaaja: tammikuu 6, 8:02 am

Viestin kirjoittaja on poistanut viestin.

69Dr.Fiddy
elokuu 13, 2023, 7:02 am

>59 Shadekeep: >67 Ragnaroek: I really hope Frozen Hell will be a success. Areté and Lyra's are two of my favourite presses, and I would like to see them realising their ambitions and continuing their amazing fine press work.

70marceloanciano
elokuu 13, 2023, 7:11 am

>65 Ragnaroek: It was a healthy sale but not great, I was hoping for better. I was hoping we’d sell on the craft; it really is a step up with book making craft, for us and most. We just couldn’t use PP because about 90% of the cover price is cost to make them, the fixed costs mean that we need the cash to pay for the making, paper alone is about 25k, colour printing is 22k, letterpress is a lot, binding and stitching is an enormous part of the price, artist needs to be paid, and all costs have risen considerably, all of which means that we need to have the cash upfront and not wait up to eight months before PP release the money.

71dlphcoracl
elokuu 13, 2023, 7:58 am

>54 Dr.Fiddy:
>61 Ragnaroek:
>66 Shadekeep:

This will probably sell very slowly for several reasons. 'Who Goes There' is a classic novella that has already received a nice private press edition from Angel Bomb Press. Although not as elaborate and luxurious as the Areté Edition, it is considerably less expensive and quite well done. The need for 'Frozen Hell' , which is a recently discovered alternate version that is 45 pages longer, is questionable. The added length is detrimental to the original story, which moves along at a faster pace and is the more interesting read. With the 62 GBP shipping charge to the United States the total cost becomes $821 which makes it a difficult purchase to justify, especially if one already owns the Angel Bomb Press edition.

72EdmundRodriguez
elokuu 13, 2023, 8:07 am

I had no particular interest in the title when first announced, but I ended up surprising myself and ordering a copy. Very different (in many ways) to the rest of my collection, and the obvious effort that has gone into it (with a decent quantity of illustrations which I really like) drew me in.

73Shadekeep
elokuu 13, 2023, 9:32 am

>68 supercell: Agreed, The Adventure of the Creeping Man is certainly worth having, and if you can bundle it with the order it becomes an even better bargain.

74Shadekeep
elokuu 13, 2023, 9:39 am

>71 dlphcoracl: I don't necessarily see it as competing with the original story, but more as a variant thereof which can be enjoyed in its own right. Similar to the two different takes on Dracula that translators did (both somewhat confusingly named Powers of Darkness). One can look at it as a "director's cut", which may not be as classic as the original but which gives some additional insight into the story. I'm enough of a fan that it appeals to me, but acknowledge this is unlikely to be the case more broadly, particularly at a price that precludes the more casually interested.

75Ragnaroek
elokuu 13, 2023, 10:11 am

>70 marceloanciano:
So would do you do if for example the last 150 copy's sell very late ? 🤔

76Ragnaroek
elokuu 13, 2023, 10:13 am

>71 dlphcoracl:
Exactly 👍
Most people know the film from John Carpenter I assume, which is incredibly good.

77Ragnaroek
elokuu 13, 2023, 10:17 am

>73 Shadekeep:
Amaranthine Press is going hard in on Sherlock Holmes. I had preferred the Neil Gaiman story.
It's an amazing beautiful book

78Ragnaroek
elokuu 13, 2023, 10:34 am

>64 wcarter:
The only think I dislike so far is that the Authors name is not on the spine.

79marceloanciano
elokuu 13, 2023, 10:40 am

>75 Ragnaroek: Well, I only have to pay for the stitching and bindings of the books sold, just have to cover the fixed costs like paper, printing etc

80Ragnaroek
elokuu 13, 2023, 10:55 am

>79 marceloanciano:
Oh okay 🙂
I hope it will sell well. I love it and glad i ordered my copy ❤️‍🔥

81wooter
elokuu 13, 2023, 12:29 pm

I'm curious to see the fold out artwork (at least my understanding is that there are several fold outs). Personally, I think I might find this cumbersome while reading. Overall the execution looks nice but the subject doesn't really interest me enough to justify the price. I think it is great to see a wider selection of books getting the fine press treatment though and wish arete all success.

82Dr.Fiddy
elokuu 13, 2023, 2:53 pm

>70 marceloanciano: >79 marceloanciano: Would it be an option to reduce the limitation in order to reduce the fixed costs if, after a certain time, the sales aren’t at the level you need?

83marceloanciano
elokuu 13, 2023, 3:09 pm

>82 Dr.Fiddy: That would be nice! But, unfortunately the fixed costs are spread across the limitation, if we had a smaller limitation that would mean that the cost for each book would be more. Fixed costs being all the costs apart from what Ludlow's do, so costs that need to be paid early. So the only thing we save is the cost of binding, which only comes into play once books are pre-ordered, does that make sense? It is the limitation that dictates the cost of making the books. More books, less cover price, less books greater cover price. I wanted to do 200 numbered but the books were working out as way, way, too expensive.

84Dr.Fiddy
elokuu 13, 2023, 3:16 pm

>83 marceloanciano: Thank you for your explanation. Yes, that makes sense. Hope it all works out in the end. I'm really looking forward to it 😊

85marceloanciano
elokuu 13, 2023, 3:56 pm

>84 Dr.Fiddy: Thanks!! Having said that, the way to do these books in the current market, and the costs of materials in this current market, is to make books with less pages, and not as crafted as a hundred years ago. Says he, who is doing a 300 page novel; Lud. And Brave New World, which is 250 pages at least! And, in order to do the artist's vision for BNW, we've had to do two different books in completely different type sizes in metal, the Artist edition has his prints bound in, which he's making, are large in size, so to make the book readable and in balance requires two versions... conceived when prices were cheaper...

86Ragnaroek
Muokkaaja: elokuu 13, 2023, 7:30 pm

>85 marceloanciano:
Fine Press in general has not alot of members I would say, it can be an very expensive hobby and not alot of people are willing to pay 750€ for an Book with 150 pages which you could buy and read for 10€ in an paperback version.

The old crafts are dying with each year...
People wanna have cheap stuff. In Germany most people didn't even care about what they eat, important is, that its as cheap as possible...

87Shadekeep
elokuu 14, 2023, 7:48 am

>85 marceloanciano: Do you mind if I ask where Lud is in the sequence of planned titles? Next, a few books later, much later? It's one I'm really looking forward to, especially as no one else is doing a version from what I've seen.

88marceloanciano
elokuu 14, 2023, 8:03 am

>87 Shadekeep: Benjamin, then a Conan story, then Brave new world, then Lud. Lud may come before BNW. It may change as we also have a couple of Lyra Press books between them. I'll try and post one of the Lud art plates, it has a load of images, nearly 50.

89Shadekeep
elokuu 14, 2023, 8:33 am

>88 marceloanciano: Splendid art! I'll look forward to it whenever it comes out. Also interested in Brave New World, and the idea of a Conan tale is intriguing too.

90Ragnaroek
elokuu 14, 2023, 9:14 am

Lud in the Mist?

91marceloanciano
elokuu 14, 2023, 9:16 am

92Ragnaroek
elokuu 14, 2023, 9:20 am

>91 marceloanciano: ❤️‍🔥

93Dr.Fiddy
elokuu 14, 2023, 9:21 am

>88 marceloanciano: What a great looking art plate!! I'm not sure about Conan, but you can definitely count me in on Benjamin, BNW and Lud 😊

94Ragnaroek
elokuu 14, 2023, 9:39 am

I never read any Conan tbh. I thought it were comics 😳
Aren't there 100 Books ? 😳

95marceloanciano
elokuu 14, 2023, 9:50 am

>94 Ragnaroek: The originals, were printed in the '30's, way before the commercialisation of the character in the '70/80's. The first stories created by Robert E. Howard are very different than the comics and movies. Although Arnold Schwarzenegger's movie propelled the character into the mainstream, it is a very different character.

96Shadekeep
Muokkaaja: elokuu 14, 2023, 9:53 am

>94 Ragnaroek: The original stories are by Robert E. Howard, who was part of Lovecraft's extended weird circle. Howard's serpent folk appear in other writers' mythos tales, for example. There are about 20 Conan books by him, including story collections, depending on how one counts them.

https://www.fantasticfiction.com/h/robert-e-howard/

EDIT: Crossposted with marceloanciano

97frik51
elokuu 14, 2023, 9:53 am

>94 Ragnaroek: Robert E. Howard wrote about fifteen Conan novels. Many more followed, by various authors. And then, of course, there were the comics.
The Howard books come highly recommended!

98Shadekeep
elokuu 14, 2023, 10:02 am

Incidentally, my one personal involvement with the Conan books to date was the logo and cover text design for the series as released by Spatterlight Press in the Netherlands. It was a fun assignment.

  

99marceloanciano
elokuu 14, 2023, 10:04 am

100Dr.Fiddy
elokuu 14, 2023, 10:08 am

>98 Shadekeep: I can imagine that was a fun assignment. The design looks really great!

101Shadekeep
elokuu 14, 2023, 10:14 am

102Ragnaroek
elokuu 14, 2023, 10:23 am

I think iam looking forward to buy this fine press beauty then, when it will get released . The conan universe is extremely awesome 👌

103ambyrglow
elokuu 14, 2023, 11:49 am

I am extremely excited about Lud-in-the-Mist.

104DMulvee
elokuu 14, 2023, 12:32 pm

Benjamin Button and Razor’s Edge are the two I’m really keen on, though I expect Brave New World will also tempt me

105Ragnaroek
elokuu 14, 2023, 12:33 pm

Razors Edge ?

106marceloanciano
elokuu 14, 2023, 12:42 pm

>105 Ragnaroek: >104 DMulvee: razor's edge is a long way away

107astropi
elokuu 14, 2023, 1:52 pm

Over the years we've definitely discussed REH's works in details. Here is one thread:

Wandering Star -- The Robert E. Howard Collection
https://www.librarything.com/topic/326168

108marceloanciano
elokuu 14, 2023, 1:58 pm

>107 astropi: They were the first limited edition books I ever made! I hold them dear.

109Ragnaroek
elokuu 14, 2023, 1:58 pm

>107 astropi: thank you 👍❤️‍🔥🙂

110Shadekeep
elokuu 14, 2023, 2:05 pm

>107 astropi: Oh, I'm sorry I missed that Solomon Kane book! I think the upcoming Conan release has moved onto my "must have" list now.

111Ragnaroek
elokuu 14, 2023, 2:15 pm

I would love to have an Solomon Kane trilogy fine press edition ❤️

112marceloanciano
elokuu 14, 2023, 3:49 pm

>111 Ragnaroek: I've actually have a Fine Press edition of all the stories ready to go! I'm hesitant because of some language from the '30's which is hard to deal with really. One of the chapters is called 'The White-Skinned Conqueror' and some of his descriptions of the native people in Africa, which is where most of the stories are set, are ... tricky. So, I thought, I'd get some Conan stories out there first.

113Ragnaroek
elokuu 14, 2023, 3:56 pm

>112 marceloanciano:
I'm looking forward to everything Arete and Lyras is publishing 😊❤️‍🔥

114Shadekeep
elokuu 14, 2023, 3:58 pm

>112 marceloanciano: I'll be down for that one as well! And yes, he can be almost as problematic as Lovecraft in places. But I think most people are good with a preface that explains the attitudes of the times and such, and that publication is not endorsement. Proper framing is key.

115astropi
elokuu 14, 2023, 4:25 pm

>112 marceloanciano: As >114 Shadekeep: noted, a good preface with historical insight into the misguided ideals of eugenics etc. will explain (not excuse) why REH and some others used language and ideas which we rightfully find appalling today. Also, I would love a COMPLETE REH fine press collection! I think Wandering Star did them perfectly, focusing on heroes other than just Conan. In fact, one of REH's most masterful short story and a classic of the genre -- Worms of the Earth is a Bran Mak Morn story.

116marceloanciano
elokuu 14, 2023, 4:41 pm

>114 Shadekeep: >115 astropi: It is, and it's finding someone who can contextualise the stories and add weight to what they are saying. Worms of the Earth is a great story! The nice thing is that we have revisited the Solomon Kane and Conan stories with Gary Gianni and redone them in such away that the art shines! Ready for relief printing. And added a wealth of images. The Conan story is lush with art. Kane has a picture virtually every page, I was so pleased with the way that I did the Wandering Star book, but, I was a naïve with design, these are so much better.

117Shadekeep
Muokkaaja: elokuu 14, 2023, 7:51 pm

>115 astropi: Well said. And Worms of the Earth is a definite classic, certainly worthy of fine reprint.

>116 marceloanciano: I have confidence you'll find the right person to give the works context. And glad you'll be employing Gianni again!

118supercell
Muokkaaja: tammikuu 6, 8:01 am

Viestin kirjoittaja on poistanut viestin.

119Ragnaroek
elokuu 16, 2023, 8:55 am

The name of the author should be included too 😅

120wooter
elokuu 17, 2023, 3:03 pm

>118 supercell: I noticed that too. I think some collectors justify their purchases by convincing themselves they can easily flip or sell on an expensive book. This justification obviously falls apart if the book is not scarce or demand fails to exceed supply. Seeing 200 available copies will likely cause such a collector to pump the brakes. From a sales perspective, showing a counter is only helpful if it suggests that demand is high and the book is about to sell out. Probably a good move.

121Ragnaroek
elokuu 17, 2023, 3:25 pm

Really stupid that people just buy books for profit...
They steal people theire fav. storys in an fine press treatment, just to sell it to them for the double or triple...

122astropi
elokuu 17, 2023, 5:13 pm

>121 Ragnaroek: I've always hated scalpers, and I think the best way to fight them is simply to ensure enough demand. Of course easier said than done, especially with something as niche as fine books. Still, book collecting and searching for rare manuscripts etc is thousands of years old! I feel that book collectors and resellers are two sides of the same coin.

123ultrarightist
elokuu 17, 2023, 6:33 pm

>122 astropi: I don't think rare manuscript hunters/sellers are in the same execrable league as those who scalp new fine press editions.

124NathanOv
Muokkaaja: elokuu 17, 2023, 6:43 pm

>122 astropi: There’s a huge difference between a book dealer marking up something they were sold or put effort into tracking down and a flipper buying something they know you want before you get the chance to so they can sell it to you for more.

125astropi
elokuu 17, 2023, 8:04 pm

>122 astropi: >124 NathanOv: Certainly, I agree. That said, booksellers are in the business of making money, like any business. Doesn't Subterranean purchase (not all the time, but certainly at times) decently large number of Suntup and Centipede books to resell? I know I've seen them do this, so are they also scalpers? -- I'm seriously asking, I'm not being facetious.

126NathanOv
elokuu 17, 2023, 9:28 pm

>125 astropi: Publishers have always maintained standing orders or retailer agreements with bookstores and other sellers. Some publishers sell exclusively this way, like many of those represented by Vamp and Tramp.

You wouldn’t call Barnes and Noble a scalper of Penguin, for example.

I know Subterranean occasionally marks books up to current market value, like the Centipede edition of Dune, but if I recall correctly that one was for charity.

127What_What
Muokkaaja: elokuu 18, 2023, 9:31 am

>124 NathanOv: Established bookselling businesses routinely purchase books for 40% of retail value (or less), and advertise this openly. Does it matter that their suppliers could get literally more than twice the money with a little more effort? They’re buying up books for vastly below retail and putting them on the shelf the next day for 150% profit.

Here’s a test - I’m buying up books I know people want in order to resell it for a profit, thereby acting as a middle person of debatable utility. Who am I? A “bookseller” or a scalper?

>125 astropi: To your point, Subterranean Press is selling the standard version of Death and Honey for $700, with no mention of charity. They also have many other instances of this. Sometimes they do indicate markups are for charity, but it’s definitely not all the time. Bookseller, or scalper?

128Joshbooks1
elokuu 18, 2023, 10:47 am

>127 What_What: Yes, I completely agree. We're talking about luxury items and if people are able to profit from them, either who cares or good for them. I guess it's unfortunate to some who are unable to get the book they desire (this has happened to me quite a few times,) but if someone, either a scalper or bookseller, is able to make a few dollars, so what? It's not like the Taylor Swift Tickermaster fiasco where bots are buying up everything. And ,even for that case, at the end of the day who cares? Think about how fortunate and blessed all of our lives are if this is something we're complaining about - "I was unable to get a pretty book which I could get at the local library for free because someone got it before me and sold it at a higher price."

It's not like we're talking about a grain seller buying up all the grain during a famine and selling at exorbitant prices, we're talking about a luxury commodity...

129Levin40
elokuu 18, 2023, 11:58 am

>127 What_What: I think your comparison of limited edition scalpers with mass market booksellers is disingenuous, for a couple of reasons:
1) We're talking about highly limited products here, which is not generally the case for established bookselling businesses. This completely changes things. Of course people get irate when they miss out on a book they wanted because scalpers - who are only interested in profit and not the book - contribute to a fast sell out. And clearly, fast sellouts are necessary for the scalper to have any 'business model' at all. The scalper only has a business if some people miss out. Witness Frozen Hell. No sell out = no business for scalpers (and yes, I know there's the odd scalper who tried to raise prices before a sellout, in the hope that the buyer won't notice, but that's taking unscrupulous to the next level).
2) Mass market booksellers are providing a service which the publishers are not usually providing themselves, the organized centralization and selling of books from multiple publishers. In this respect, their businesses are necessary, and of course running such a business, whether online or physical, comes with many costs. It's not all profit, as you seem to suggest. It's also why most mass market books come with an RRP set by the publisher, which it's difficult for the bookseller to exceed. In the limited edition world the scalper's business is almost entirely unnecessary, given that the norm is for publishers to sell directly to customers. What exactly is the scalper contributing to the process to justify their 'service'? No doubt someone will respond with something like 'they're helping customers who missed out', but I'd counter that by saying that some people missed out because of scalpers.

Of course, in reality it's difficult to separate genuine scalpers from those who genuinely wanted the book but then had to sell for any number of reasons. But they know who they are.

130What_What
elokuu 18, 2023, 12:00 pm

>128 Joshbooks1: I’m happy to be able to share the same perspective on something with you.

131Ragnaroek
elokuu 18, 2023, 12:14 pm

>128 Joshbooks1:
But that is exactly what an scrupulous grain seller would do and what is happening right now in the real world. Money rules the world.
It doesn't matter if its an non eatable product or something else.
Such people are disgusting.
We cant change it, so we don't need to deepen the talk abou it.
Let's stay with the books, especially the Arete Editions in this case.

132Joshbooks1
elokuu 18, 2023, 1:02 pm

>130 What_What: Maybe we can become friends and hang out sometime?!?

>131 Ragnaroek: Again, we're talking about books. High end luxury items with pretty bindings, content and material; books which we can read for free at the local library. Who cares if someone makes a few extra dollars if they buy premium books and flip them for profit. Whether it is a scalper or bookseller (is a bookseller just a professional scalper?) none of us on this forum need these books. It is a lavish and niche hobby. The simple fact that people are complaining about this subject really shows how entitled we are. I am also guilty of this at times.

It does matter if it is a luxury product or a human necessity. I don't need a thousand dollar book which is a materialistic possession that has no regard to my survival and in the larger picture has little meaning to my life. It is a very fun hobby and is a passion of mine, like, I imagine, a lot of other people here. I love books and reading in my room looking at my collection of books, but, I do have a hard time when people shout about the horrors of someone buying a luxury product and scream foul when they are inconvenienced. None of us here need these books just like none of us need to see Taylor Swift, or watch a playoff sporting event or buy the newest iphone or buy a luxury car. But I do need food, housing and medical care and if and when people extort these commodities which certainly happens ever more frequently in the US where I live, then, yes, I do have a problem with that and view it as disgusting which you state.

133What_What
elokuu 18, 2023, 6:57 pm

>132 Joshbooks1: I don’t know if I’d go that far, but I can commit to removing the Joshbooks1 sticker off the voodoo doll next to my bed.

134Shadekeep
elokuu 18, 2023, 7:50 pm

I don't buy the relativistic morality that the less essential something is the less objectionable it is to profiteer over it. This kind of sliding scale can apply somewhat to the severity of the action (people are far less likely to die from being unable to buy books than buy food), but honestly it doesn't change the moral calculus one whit. Profiteering is deleterious to both the producer and to the intended audience. It makes the producer's goods less fairly available, and skews the price from what they consider fair to what the profiteers can gouge people for. And the intended audience suffers because they are denied either the item itself or the fair price to obtain it. This can form a loopback cycle, costing the producer a base of loyal customers, harming their long-term viability.

Do the two extremes of profiteering matter the same in terms of impact? Of course not. But it doesn't change the moral weight of the action. Just as stealing $20 from a wealthy person impacts them far less than stealing it from someone in poverty, but in neither case does it excuse stealing itself.

135BooksFriendsNotFood
Muokkaaja: elokuu 18, 2023, 8:54 pm

Just as a discussion point because I don't really have a hard and fast view either way: At the end of the day, a reseller or a regular book reader/collector is paying the same amount of money to buy one copy of a limited edition book. (I'm keeping it one copy to remove the variable of scalpers bulk buying.) At that point, the book is that person's, so isn't it theirs to do what they like with it, whether that is own it, resell it for a profit, or even (the horror) destroy it or dump it in the trash? And while the first and third choices pretty much remove that book from circulation for one to many generations, perhaps some people who weren't aware of the release at the time, didn't have the money at the time, or who weren't quick enough to snatch it up would rather pay 2-3x the original price to possess a copy rather than miss out on it entirely? (After all, if these customers didn't exist, reselling wouldn't be profitable. And if the reseller is unable to make the sale, don't they end up as an inadvertent collector?) And even if someone who genuinely loved the limited book decides to sell it either due to unhauling it or due to financial needs (and as an aside, who's to say whether the reseller is also just trying to send their kids to uni), with the exception of the rare individual or someone who is satisfied with their wealth, the reader/collector is going to attempt to make a decent profit from it. Does this make them a latent reseller with the same (potentially moral) dilemmas as someone reselling it immediately?

In an ideal world (although even this is arguable because some books may only be as desirable as they are due to their limitation), books would not be limited and editions would not go out of print, so that everyone who is interested in a book can get a copy whenever they want and thus, book resellers would not exist; however, this obviously isn't the case (for example, even if everyone who buys the limited book is a genuine reader/collector, there will still be people missing out) so I find this topic interesting to think about.

136Ragnaroek
Muokkaaja: elokuu 19, 2023, 3:00 am

shadekeep has got it absolutely right. What difference does it make if there is a book or something else. morally it is still reprehensible.
You call a book for £500 a luxury good, but you certainly also drive a car, eat fruit and vegetables, meat probably too. All three have become extremely expensive luxury goods in today's world, and not everyone can afford them or wants to. An car is an extreme luxury good that one could do without. There are buses and trains...
Most people who can afford books for £500 already have a good job anyway and speculate on books, only to sell them again for 2-6 times as much. There's no poor low-income earner sitting there gnawing at the subsistence level, happy that he can pay the next 6 months' rent with the book sales, but someone who wann enrich himself even more.

Of course, that's extremely clever and I don't begrudge anyone, but morally it's still the last straw. The book is not suddenly made of pure gold.

It's the same with concert tickets. There are people who "steal" tickets from people because they know that the concert will sell out quickly and then sell the ticket for three times as much.
That is absolutely immoral and disgusting. (Of course, it's also a clever speculation if you make a profit).

Well, anyway... we won't get together there.

137BooksFriendsNotFood
Muokkaaja: elokuu 19, 2023, 4:42 am

>136 Ragnaroek: Just to clarify my hypothetical example: I agree that no poor person is buying a copy of a Limited Edition book for resale, but it could potentially be a lower middle class to middle class person who is trying to make an extra few hundred dollars (or few thousand dollars if we're counting multiple resales of different Limited books) which they can use to supplement their primary income — and this can, for instance, contribute to anything from paying tuition to going on vacation, or even perhaps buying expensive fine press books that they actually want to keep. I doubt that anyone who has a significant amount of money left after paying rent/mortage and bills is spending their free time trying to flip books. (Again, I don't have a stance on reselling - my view is more of a neutral "resellers exist" - but it's interesting to hear both sides of the argument discussed.)

To challenge the point you raised and/or to play devil's advocate:

Can a reseller who buys one (1) copy of a Limited book in order to make a profit be compared morally to a thief? The book they are buying doesn't belong to anyone at the time of purchase and they paid for it fair and square (and as long as they aren't using bots, they put in the same effort as everyone else). One may argue that that is one less book available for a person who really wants it, but which is worse: A) a person who buys the book and then puts it up for sale at a higher price, or B) a person who buys the book and then shoves it in their bookshelf and never looks at it again and thus takes it out of circulation for a potentially more "deserving" reader who'd look at the book every day? Who has the right to judge what kind of person is more "deserving", or to determine that only people with X intentions can be allowed to purchase the book?

The answer is obviously pretty clear if we're looking at something needed to survive; for example, if person A will die without an apple and person B with a full stomach pays for it first and resells it for a higher price, that's pretty morally repugnant. But as people have pointed out, a "pretty book" is an unnecessary, luxury item, and who can say if a person is more deserving of the transaction depending on whether they want to buy the book to put it on a bookshelf and never touch it VS. buy the book and read it constantly VS. buy the book to rip out the illustrations and stick them on a wall VS. buy the book as a gift for someone who doesn't actually want it VS. buy the book and attempt (and possibly fail) to sell it for a higher price in order to make extra cash? The argument may get a bit blurry here since each individual desires the book, but for different reasons (and none of the options result in the death or significant reduction of quality of life for anyone else)...

(It's nearly 5AM here so I can only hope this thought experiment makes sense outside of my brain lol. If this is too hypothetical, feel free to ignore.)

The following is not so relevant, but I'd also just like to note that it seems to me that in many states in the U.S., a car is actually more or less necessary because public transportation here often sucks / doesn't really exist / is not viable. Also, even flipping a book for a $1,000 profit may not even cover one month's rent in many places unfortunately, although as you mentioned, I doubt book flipping is the primary source of someone's rent haha.

(And with this hideously long comment, I bid you all goodnight / good day.)

138Ragnaroek
elokuu 19, 2023, 5:00 am

>137 BooksFriendsNotFood:
Oh gosh , that's a very long text. I highly appreciate you're time investment on this .
Youre points are valide.
It's an really hard discussion I don't wanna continue, because I can't express my thoughts 100% in writing. We shouldn't stick to stuff we cant change like I said before. It doesn't matter if someone says: ... "disgusting", "thief", "scraper" ... we won't change this and so it shouldn't be worth our time.
Let's stick to stuff that we can change and which affects us.
The luxury book I missed is sad, but there are coming so much each month. (It doesn't change what I said above, I cant change it, so its not worth my time).

Let's discuss future Arete Editions here.
We could make an new thread if someone wanna continue this discussion.

139BooksFriendsNotFood
elokuu 19, 2023, 5:03 am

>138 Ragnaroek: Fair enough! Thank you for taking the time to read through that long comment XD

140DMulvee
elokuu 19, 2023, 7:08 am

My problem with scalpers is when they describe the book as unread and it is still sealed, it appears they only bought the book to try and profit rather than getting enjoyment from the product itself. If they had actually read the book then I am happier, as in that scenario it feels like a reader who has decided to use the money for another purchase.

I think if the book was released more than 6 months ago, then it is all fair. But if a book was released last week, and a seller immediately lists it as unread I find this frustrating

141LeBacon
elokuu 19, 2023, 7:20 am

>140 DMulvee: I'm now suspicious of "still sealed." I bought a book that was a few years out of print that was sealed and opened it to find a section was misprinted - the text block was printed too high for about twenty pages and was scraping the top of the page. It made me wonder if the seller knew it and re-shrinkwrapped it so he could claim ignorance of the condition.

142Ragnaroek
Muokkaaja: elokuu 19, 2023, 9:09 am

>141 LeBacon: that's exactly why you should always be suspicious when it's listed as still sealed.
I had bought an sealed Suntup Book once and the signature page was missing 🤣
Better buy an Book second hand without the shrink wrap from an seller of youre trust. It will be cheaper without the shrink wrap too.

143Shadekeep
elokuu 19, 2023, 7:37 pm

>141 LeBacon: Definitely view sealed books with a jaundiced eye. A lot of bookjackers/bookdumpers know that folks will pay more for a pristine sealed copy, and a shrink-wrapper becomes a cheap investment if it adds value to a used book. It's always funny when someone tries selling something sealed that was never sealed in the first place. Old bookshelf games from Avalon Hill are a prime example.

144Shadekeep
lokakuu 12, 2023, 12:42 pm

Good update newsletter from Arete on titles in progress. Frozen Hell seems to be coming along nicely, and The Curious Case of Benjamin Button should be for pre-order soon. Also included are a couple more images from the eagerly awaited Lud-in-the-Mist, and they are looking splendid.

  

145frik51
lokakuu 12, 2023, 12:50 pm

And the mentioned Robert E. Howard story sounds intriguing to say the least.

sk

146Ragnaroek
lokakuu 12, 2023, 1:22 pm

What a wonderful day with wonderful news 🥰

147ambyrglow
lokakuu 12, 2023, 1:25 pm

I am so excited about Lud-in-the-Mist.

148SDB2012
lokakuu 12, 2023, 1:35 pm

>144 Shadekeep: these look fantastic

149SF-72
Muokkaaja: lokakuu 12, 2023, 2:02 pm

The illustrations for Lud in the Mist looks wonderful. And then imagine them in the gorgeous print quality of past books done by them.

150GardenOfForkingPaths
lokakuu 12, 2023, 2:23 pm

>149 SF-72: They do look excellent!

Speaking selfishly, I do hope they will offer some of these future titles in standard (or 'Fine') editions too. In any case, I'm really looking forward to seeing all these books take shape.

151marceloanciano
Muokkaaja: lokakuu 12, 2023, 4:02 pm

>144 Shadekeep: >147 ambyrglow: >148 SDB2012: >149 SF-72: >150 GardenOfForkingPaths: They are amazing aren't they? He's doing about 32 full pagers, designed for relief printing, and a large amount of spot illustrations. We are in the process of soft proofing metal monotype to reflect the old nature of the story, it's going to be a very nice book.

152marceloanciano
lokakuu 12, 2023, 3:40 pm

>145 frik51: It really is a return to my roots! The first limited edition book I made, rather naively, was by Robert E Howard under Wandering Star, ohh, twenty five years ago now. It is really pleasurable to go back to him.

153EdmundRodriguez
lokakuu 12, 2023, 3:45 pm

All looking excellent, it's great to see the time and effort that goes into the creation of arete's editions. Plenty to look forward to (I'm particularly looking forward to Lud).

154Shadekeep
lokakuu 12, 2023, 10:12 pm

>151 marceloanciano: Your edition of Lud-in-the-Mist has remained in the top three books I'm looking forward to ever since it was announced. It is exactly what I come to fine press for.

155Levin40
Muokkaaja: lokakuu 13, 2023, 4:44 am

>151 marceloanciano: Wow, 32 full pagers of the quality highlighted in >144 Shadekeep: is going to be something very special indeed. The only issue I foresee with this title is that there's going to be a loooooong wait for it (only half joking actually - the fact that fine press output is often the complete antithesis of this world of mass produced consumer goods and instant gratification is generally something I very much appreciate).

>154 Shadekeep: what are the other two books in your top three?

156SF-72
lokakuu 13, 2023, 5:29 am

>151 marceloanciano:

That sounds absolutely wonderful and very impressive. It's one of the things I enjoyed immensely about Death & Honey, that it was so richly illustrated.

157Dr.Fiddy
lokakuu 13, 2023, 6:24 am

>151 marceloanciano: That is spectacular! I'm really looking forward to it, as well as all the others you are working on. But, first: Enter Benjamin Button 😊

158marceloanciano
lokakuu 13, 2023, 7:09 am

ha ha ha >155 Levin40: Thanks for your encouragement! Appreciate it. Yes, our books do take a long time to pull together, there are just the three of us doing all the book making for both Arete and Lyra, we just don’t have the resources like the large press houses like Suntup and Centipede to do it faster, it’s just us three doing all the designing, printing and bindings. Only a certain amount we can do in a year but am very excited about Lud, Benjamin, Howard and Brave New World, all coming from Arete in the year.

159dlphcoracl
lokakuu 13, 2023, 7:14 am

>151 marceloanciano:

Your planned edition of Lud in the Mist is spectacular. Who is the artist making the illustrations?

160marceloanciano
lokakuu 13, 2023, 7:23 am

>159 dlphcoracl: Scott McKowen. It was Neil Gaiman who suggested him, he had done the covers for some of his Marvel 1602 comics, the first comic art he'd done, he usually does theatre and book covers: https://punchandjudy.ca/illustration/

161SF-72
lokakuu 13, 2023, 8:19 am

>160 marceloanciano:

That's gorgeous art on his website. Will the illustrations for Lud in the Mist all be black and white, or will there also be colour illustrations?

162marceloanciano
lokakuu 13, 2023, 8:34 am

>161 SF-72: just black and white at the moment, like D&H, his colour work on the site is all digital over the line art, and for colour he'll have to give us each layer as an analog board, like his black and white works. At this time, I think I'd rather have more images.

163abysswalker
lokakuu 13, 2023, 9:17 am

>162 marceloanciano: I think black and white will work beautifully for Lud. Also looking forward to this one.

164Ragnaroek
lokakuu 13, 2023, 10:11 am

>158 marceloanciano: if you would do it like Suntup, I probably need an new and better payed job. Suntup alone is arround 500$ each month (often more).

165SF-72
lokakuu 13, 2023, 10:18 am

>162 marceloanciano:

That makes complete sense, and more art is always great. There are artists who manually add colour to their scratchboard art, for example, and I thought this might be an example of it.

166frik51
lokakuu 13, 2023, 12:06 pm

>152 marceloanciano: Can't wait to find out what will be coming our way! REH and HPL - anything by these two giants is very welcome indeed.

167ambyrglow
lokakuu 13, 2023, 1:04 pm

As someone who actually prefers black and white book illustrations (I know, I’m weird), the style is definitely one of the selling points for me.

168NathanOv
lokakuu 13, 2023, 1:08 pm

>166 frik51: Did I miss mention of an HPL title? I'd love to see another Gary Gianni collaboration in the vein of his & Marcelo's "Call of Cthulhu," or even that one published in an upgraded edition!

169LeBacon
lokakuu 13, 2023, 1:51 pm

Yes! HPL, please. I want a nice letterpress At the Mountains of Madness with a handsome leather cover and beautifully executed black and white wood engraving illustrations.

I know Centipede Press has long been rumored to do something similar but really any fine press willing to do it, I'm here and ready to throw money at you.

170ultrarightist
lokakuu 13, 2023, 2:13 pm

>168 NathanOv: and >169 LeBacon:

I think >166 frik51: was just speculating or wish-listing. I do know that Conversation Tree Press is planning to include at least one volume of HPL in its Weird series.

171NathanOv
lokakuu 13, 2023, 2:21 pm

>170 ultrarightist: The fact that CTP is doing a single novel for Hodgson has me hoping they’ll do the same for Poe and Lovecraft, and give us nice matching editions of The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym and At The Mountains of Madness.

I really don’t think we need new “greatest hits” collections of either of those authors.

172LeBacon
lokakuu 13, 2023, 2:25 pm

>170 ultrarightist: Can't wait for Conversation Tree's Weird. Their version of Peter Pan gives me really high hopes.

173Shadekeep
Muokkaaja: lokakuu 13, 2023, 10:36 pm

>155 Levin40: what are the other two books in your top three?

The Ethics of Ambiguity from No Reply Press, with the "choose your art" aspect, and Arden of Feversham from Tudor Black Press.

Also very high on the list but not yet confirmed (nor guaranteed to be letterpress) is The Hellbound Heart from Suntup.

>171 NathanOv: The fact that CTP is doing a single novel for Hodgson

Oh, didn't know that. So either The House on the Borderland (most likely) or The Night Land. Personally I'd go for The Boats of the Glen Carrig, but my tastes run towards nautical horror.

174NathanOv
Muokkaaja: lokakuu 13, 2023, 5:25 pm

>173 Shadekeep: I believe they announced House On The Borderland, but I may be wrong.

I would’ve also preferred a Sargasso Sea collection. It feels odd to do a singular highlight of Hodgson and not pick something nautical.

175Shadekeep
lokakuu 13, 2023, 5:33 pm

>174 NathanOv: It does, doesn't it? It's his most consistent milieu, in spite of him also excelling at haunted houses, strange futures, and ghost hunting. I always firstly associate Hodgson with the terrors of the seas.

176Ragnaroek
lokakuu 13, 2023, 5:49 pm

The first book of the WEIRD titles will be House on the Borderland. That's what the CTP webpage says .
20 WEIRD volumes in total are planned if iam correct.
Would be very disappointed to not see any POE or Lovecraft.

I'm most excited for Flowers for Algernon though. Lovely book. Next CPT announcement/ pre order should be next month, but not sure which title.

177GardenOfForkingPaths
Muokkaaja: marraskuu 4, 2023, 4:00 pm

I ordered the numbered Frozen Hell today. I've been on fence because it's a pretty major investment, but I noticed on Facebook recently that Hand & Eye had posted some photos of the colour printed proofs of the paintings, and they look absolutely brilliant. I think the large fold-outs are going to pretty spectacular! Anyway, that's what finally, and happily, pushed me over the edge.

178paulm16
huhtikuu 27, 4:02 am

Frozen Hell looks to have been more time consuming than expected. A couple of short clips here giving some insight.
It’s a Facebook link but you don’t need to be a user to see the content.

https://www.facebook.com/AreteEditions?_rdr

179tkellici
Muokkaaja: huhtikuu 27, 3:51 pm

Phil and Marcello should update their Arete Editions Blog more frequently, for those of us that don't use Facebook. I tried to look at their Facebook page but apparently you cannot see much without signing in.

180marceloanciano
huhtikuu 27, 1:28 pm

>179 tkellici: Done. Insanely busy!

181tkellici
huhtikuu 27, 3:57 pm

Thank you, sir! Always obliging.

182EdmundRodriguez
kesäkuu 11, 12:54 pm

Looks like numbered Frozen Hell editions start shipping next week.

Text from Facebook update copied below:

"We’ve all been working hard behind the scenes and we’ll have some terrific news coming very soon! However, for now...

Frozen Hell IMPORTANT.

Finally! The numbered edition of Frozen Hell is about to be shipped! If any of you that have ordered a book, I know it was a while ago now, and have moved or changed address PLEASE NOTIFY US!!

Ludlow’s are hoping to start sending the books out early next week. Phil is away on holiday next week too, so if you have a change of address, please let us know sooner than later.

The Lettered/Roman edition will be a little while longer as it is much more complicated and we wanted to get the Numbered out of the way first. The book blocks (the really complicated bit) are finished. The leather is all prepped for the boxes and books will be ready to go. Soon!"

183Dr.Fiddy
kesäkuu 11, 12:55 pm

>182 EdmundRodriguez: Can't wait... 👍😊

184SF-72
kesäkuu 11, 12:56 pm

>182 EdmundRodriguez:

Looking forward to it.

185SDB2012
kesäkuu 11, 12:59 pm

>182 EdmundRodriguez: Amazing. Love Arete!

186Shadekeep
kesäkuu 11, 1:03 pm

>182 EdmundRodriguez: Good news, looking forward to it!

187NathanOv
kesäkuu 11, 2:27 pm

>182 EdmundRodriguez: exciting news! However, that address confirmation note really needs to be an email to all purchasers. I would’ve missed it if it were just on Facebook.

188supercell
kesäkuu 11, 5:35 pm

Interestingly, the names of both the author and the illustrator have been added to the spine. An improvement over the initial design, I would say.

Now, better start clearing some shelf space - this is the largest Areté book yet. Benjamin Button still seems to be stuck somewhere in the pipeline, though.

189Nightcrawl
kesäkuu 11, 9:28 pm

>187 NathanOv: Agreed! I skipped this one but would have assumed this notification would have gone out via email as well? Are you sure that is not the case?

190ultrarightist
kesäkuu 11, 10:51 pm

>187 NathanOv: Definitely! It's really a lapse on Arete's part not to have done so. They have the email addresses.

191Ragnaroekk
kesäkuu 12, 3:00 am

My first Arete book. What a beauty.

192TomsRiverNJ
kesäkuu 16, 2:36 pm

>191 Ragnaroekk: you received it? care to share further thoughts? I am on the fence about buying this one.

193Ragnaroekk
kesäkuu 16, 4:19 pm

>192 TomsRiverNJ:
Not yet, sorry for the misunderstanding.
I just saw the facebook pictures and it is HUGE.
When I receive it (hopefully soon) , I can share my thoughts and pictures, if you like.

194Inceptic
kesäkuu 17, 5:02 pm

>187 NathanOv: >190 ultrarightist:

I can't believe they keep using Facebook for such an important notice.

195marceloanciano
kesäkuu 18, 5:35 am

>193 Ragnaroekk: Well, not that large! i based the size on most of my Limited Edition Club books I have, like The Circus of Dr. Lao, Nostromo...

196marceloanciano
kesäkuu 18, 5:38 am

>194 Inceptic: Yeah, it was unfortunate, Phil is away on holiday when Rich said that Frozen Hell is ready to ship. Phil handles all the communication from Arete and couldn't get to a signal, so we took a view, either we waited another month or start to organize the shipping and hope he gets to a signal soon.

197Dr.Fiddy
kesäkuu 18, 7:05 am

>196 marceloanciano: Phil sent emails this morning, so everything should be ok 😊
Really looking forward to this one!

198Dr.Fiddy
kesäkuu 21, 7:13 am

Got the shipping notification for Frozen Hell today 😊

199Ragnaroekk
kesäkuu 21, 9:17 am

>198 Dr.Fiddy:
Me too 😊
Can't deny that iam super duper hyped.

200tkellici
kesäkuu 24, 6:02 pm

Just received my "Frozen Hell" in the US. Beautiful edition. The design of the book and, especially, the intricate placement of the illustrations explains the long time it took to prepare. Looking forward to Benjamin Button now.

201Ragnaroekk
kesäkuu 24, 7:06 pm

My copy will arrive approximately today.

Iam not sure about the Benjamin Button book though. The illustrations are not ugly, but not entirely to my taste aswell.
The binding prototype looks OK.

I will wait for the final release and look out for some pictures and videos for the final result.

202Inceptic
kesäkuu 24, 10:31 pm

Does Arete send out tracking numbers once they ship the books?

203NathanOv
kesäkuu 24, 10:38 pm

>202 Inceptic: I got a notice directly from FedEx that a package was on the way from Ludlow, however I believe that was all

204tkellici
kesäkuu 24, 10:41 pm

>202 Inceptic: Didn't receive a tracking number. Seeing the package today was quite a pleasant surprise.

205Ragnaroekk
kesäkuu 24, 11:48 pm

>202 Inceptic:
Got a message only from FedEx

206Chemren
kesäkuu 25, 2:32 am

Just FedEx message for me too. Mine arrived today. Love that leather smell.

207SF-72
kesäkuu 25, 8:55 am

I received it today and wow, what a gorgeous book. I love the illustrations and the high quality of their printing as well as the creative ways of inserting them. The printing of the text and the paper are beautiful, though I would prefer it if the pages were less 'empty'. I don't like the huge margins in the lower half here or in a few other titles I have (from other publishers). But that's the only thing that I didn't like 100% - otherwise this is a wonderful edition, a true joy to have. I'm really looking forward to reading it.

208BorisG
kesäkuu 25, 9:45 am

>207 SF-72: got it last night, and agree on all counts. I don’t think I have seen colours as vivid in illustrations in a book… The binding is gorgeous too. And very consistent dark inking / printing, superb!

Re very large margins – is it the van de Graaf canon? I understand that it’s supposed to be the golden standard of text layout, but… I’m not sure it works here, particularly when the illustrations are so large and so striking. The text might almost feel secondary to the art.

209SF-72
kesäkuu 25, 11:15 am

>208 BorisG:

I feel exactly the same about the colours of the illustrations and what you said about the text.

I don't know about the canon, but from pictures I've seen the margin at the bottom seems rather larger than what I saw there. But I really don't know anything about it, so if anyone here knows more, it would be really interesting to hear their thoughts.

And I just had to think about what you get here for just 85 Pounds more than the latest Folio Society limited edition of 1984 - there's really no comparison. I'd much rather spend that kind of money on something by Areté. You really get a work of art there. I was as happy about the Gaiman / Holmes set and Words of Fire, by the way. The letterpress printing is excellent and where that applies (Words of Fire only has one illustration), they're doing a wonderful job about integrating illustrations into works of literature.

For those who might get interested after the discussions here: I just looked, and the numbered edition is still available and really worth purchasing.

210NathanOv
kesäkuu 25, 11:19 am

>208 BorisG: "Re very large margins..."

I may be misremembering, but I believe Marcelo said something about wanting the text to feel like it's in a sea of white and to really immerse the reader in the polar feel of the book between that and the oversized illustrations.

211SF-72
Muokkaaja: kesäkuu 25, 11:25 am

>210 NathanOv:

An interesting concept, though it doesn't really work for me.

Let's see what I'll think when I'm reading it, though.

212marceloanciano
kesäkuu 25, 11:32 am

Thank you! >209 SF-72: >210 NathanOv: The text is in a more 'traditional' setting, something that Phil Abel really wanted and I integrated into the designs and yes, as Nathan said, I liked the way that the text feels like the white space in the Arctic and because it is all metal type, I was never really going to know if it all would come together until after we made the book, I am pleased with the way it came out. Greg has done amazing paintings for it, they are really vivid!

213Pendrainllwyn
kesäkuu 25, 11:42 am

>209 SF-72: And I just had to think about what you get here for just 85 Pounds more than the latest Folio Society limited edition of 1984 - there's really no comparison. I'd much rather spend that kind of money on something by Areté. You really get a work of art there.

Yes, fully agreed.

214SF-72
kesäkuu 25, 12:20 pm

>212 marceloanciano:

Thank you for this information and for this beautiful book! It's such excellent work on all fronts.

215SDB2012
kesäkuu 25, 9:14 pm

>213 Pendrainllwyn: and a few dollars cheaper than the FS 1984 if you live in the US. I'm out of town, but the book arrived and I can't wait to see it when I get home.

216GardenOfForkingPaths
kesäkuu 26, 7:19 am

I agree with all the praise so far. It's a very impressive and accomplished book. The tabbed-in fold-out pictures work incredibly well. Some of the paintings really are spectacular, and the whole thing makes for a very immersive experience. I'm not sure I can ever go back to looking at artwork disappearing into the gutter of a book again!

One of my favourite aspects of the book is the fold out title page - love the design and it sets the tone beautifully.

My first experience of Liber Charta paper - very nice.

>212 marceloanciano: Thank you to you and the team for creating such a splendid edition.

217marceloanciano
kesäkuu 26, 7:23 am

>216 GardenOfForkingPaths: Thanks! We did the same tabbed in double page foldouts with Oz too, no gutter!

218Shadekeep
kesäkuu 26, 8:10 am

Mine arrived as well and just wanted to add a voice to the choir of praise. A beautiful edition all around.

219Ragnaroekk
kesäkuu 26, 9:19 am

Have my copy in hand now and its magnificent. Wonderful production, glad I bought it.

220Ragnaroekk
Muokkaaja: kesäkuu 26, 10:26 am

Viestin kirjoittaja on poistanut viestin.

221TomsRiverNJ
kesäkuu 26, 1:23 pm

>193 Ragnaroekk: please do sir. a strong reception so far. I just don't want to pay for overseas shipping

222Ragnaroekk
kesäkuu 26, 1:25 pm

>221 TomsRiverNJ:
Any guide for posting pictures here?

224Shadekeep
kesäkuu 26, 4:11 pm

>222 Ragnaroekk: And if need somewhere to host the pictures, you can put them into your user gallery here on LT. For example: https://www.librarything.com/gallery/member/Shadekeep

225Dr.Fiddy
kesäkuu 27, 3:47 am

I just received mine as well, and wow... what a beautiful book 😊

226supercell
Muokkaaja: kesäkuu 27, 4:55 am

Groan. Originally, my copy was supposed to be delivered today but, even before the parcel had left Britain, UPS pushed the date back to tomorrow. By now, it still has not even made it to the right country, so I am thinking Monday or Tuesday (allowing 24 hours for customs processing) - the usual story, yadda yadda. Even Folio Society's 2-6 day express service seems to take eight working days these days (with the difference that FedEx usually rushes the package to the final warehouse, where it then, annoyingly, just idles for nearly a week until the scheduled delivery date).

227Ragnaroekk
kesäkuu 27, 8:32 am

>223 TomsRiverNJ:
Give me some time please 🙏

228tkellici
Muokkaaja: kesäkuu 29, 5:41 pm

Let's see if this works:











I've put Lyra's Christmas Carol next to it for comparison.
The book looks (and smells) great. I'd guess it's from the solvents used to treat the leather but I'd like to know more from the specialists.

229Inceptic
kesäkuu 29, 9:57 pm

>228 tkellici: What's the font-size of the main text?

230Dr.Fiddy
kesäkuu 30, 5:09 am

>229 Inceptic: 11 point Monotype Baskerville

231ultrarightist
kesäkuu 30, 8:01 pm

I received my copy the other day. Love it. The illustrations - content and quality - are top notch. The edition is a winner, and well worth the wait. Kudos to Arete.

232921Jack
heinäkuu 2, 2:07 pm

Ok, huge fan of the fold-out title page. I’ve never seen that done before, and it looks very cool! You can really feel the snowy isolation.