Is this spam? #11
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This is NOT the spam reporting thread.
This thread is for asking if something should or should not be considered spam. It is meant for questions and discussion.
The actual spam supporting thread is here: https://www.librarything.com/topic/273927
and in his own group:
User has been a member for 3 years, so it might be a step outside bounds, rather than spam.
"But this wonderful book by my friends in ministry, John Hull & Tim Elmore,"
Of course, he hasn't bothered to enter the book.
Though I can maybe understand the one thread catching the flak, but not the whole group or more than that one thread.
Nor do I, and have counter-flagged. I also don't think the group is spam. It's odd to form a group merely to express one's own opinions about books, but it's not spam.
The home webpage explicitly describes the book reviews as part of a paid promotion deal.
They were told back in September, but have continued to violate the TOS anyway.
Non-profit, but appears that profile is established just to get web presence. See descriptor and tags on profile picture: https://www.librarything.com/pic/6095743
Don't flag yet. Please discuss first.
And who knows, they may have a library they mean to enter.
If they add books, fine. Otherwise, it seems to be nothing more than here we are, please send money.
Excellent way to start out the month. :-}
Thanks all for the support for my luggage tag ;-). As a long time Penguin Books collector I have a few non-book Penguin related items, coffee cups, playing cards, etc.. I hope the way they are catalogued keeps them away from Combiners and recommendations. You used to be able to buy a deck chair in a Penguin cover design but that was a step too far, even for me.
That was an odd one. I suppose they may have spent the month since joining randomly perusing the blog and clicking links. Weird, but possible. The member they tried to link to was suspended a long time ago. Why they would care about someone mentioned in a blog post from 2006 is beyond me.
But they certainly seem to be a legit organization with quite a few books so far.
The review for her other book has already been removed, though not the rating:
She also posted a link to her website in the haiku summary, which is why I came across her name, but I've already deleted the summary (not a haiku) and her website address (spam).
Those are either not her reviews or she is using false names on them, either of which would violate the TOS.
There's no way to remove a rating.
I can't find an author link between the poster and the booklet he points to, but he's obviously not answering the OPs query.
It says it's a summary provided by GoodReads. Does this make it a Red or Blue flag. So far, I've been doing just a blue (the user has several of this nature) but I wanted to check if they qualified as worse...
ETA: And here's another one: https://www.librarything.com/profile/ElaineA.Piha, though she hasn't added a link to a sales platform.
Don't flag the author, but it is OK to flag posts that are overtly promotional and not in the author groups.
Members can use their personal profile for pretty much anything they want. Looking at the two links you've posted, I don't see anything wrong with them. There is no "violating activity" that would call for a comment. Self-advertising is okay on an author's personal profile (just not on the author page).
I think Helenliz was right. However, of the two profiles, they appear to be drive by authors. (One was from 2011.) I doubt we'll ever see or hear from them again.
Overzealous author who uses his profile page as a selling platform: "Purchase your signed copy for only $20 which includes shipping within the continental United States here:" (link follows).
Edited to remove erroneous touchstone.
LT says that "Do not use LibraryThing as an advertising medium. Egregious commercial solicitation is forbidden." and "Do not post messages in Talk advertising your book. " (See How Authors Can Use LibraryThing)
It seems to me that if all an author does is put a link on his personal profile, that's not "egregious". That's not pushing it into anyone's face. Unless the person posts in the forums pushing his book, one would have to stumble onto the link.
And, after all, LT does allow an author to review his own books, and I think that's worse.
And I'm totally with you on authors reviewing their own books.
I see a real distinction between them and escort services and the like.
Not a losing battle! After all, opinions differ, and that's why we have threads like this, to discuss and argue (politely, I hope) our points of view.
Not sure what to think of these two either. They each cataloged one book and then linked to the same real estate site. Co-workers or advertizing?
The other... no clue
I don't know that looking for a daddy here is a TOS violation, but I don't think plittle143 is looking in the right place!
Because of that, it's sometimes hard to differentiate between these legitimate members and the spammers. Often, a business will catalogue books that they use in their business or profession (the vet certainly seems to have done that). And it makes sense to me that a small organization or solo practitioner might want to do that.
True. I think that sometime businesses and organizations aren't aware of the possibility to list themselves as such. (I've never signed out and tried to join again to see how prominent that option is!)
There's nothing that warrants flagging. It's weird. It's possibly in the wrong topic. But I don't see spam.
author has two member profiles
The author one is tricky. The URL profile is from 2010 while the non URL profile is from 2015. In both cases, should know better. The URL profile seemed more blatant, so I flagged it.
>79 karenb: Ugh. That's a repair that probably needs to go to lorannen because it was done in December 2015.
As >80 gilroy: gilroy flagged the author in my previous post, I flagged the one with the Amazon link.
the reviews are rightly red flagged but should the member be flagged as well?
This author has been around for several years and has a library consisting entirely of his own work, some of which have indications as to how to purchase them. Low-key and hardly offensive but he has posted today asking how to make friends on LT.
I don't feel like taking action (but I might if I got a random befriending request)
Don't take any action yet, but check back. This could be an inept spammer or a valid business expecting to catalog their library.
Flag one but not the other? Or leave a note?
Apart from being an author with self-published books, I feel she's using her profile page to drum up customers for her life coach business.
Spam or not spam?
Does this qualify as a bookshop or as spam?
For the record, I'm not one of those who flagged the profile. I'd just checked back, now, to see the outcome. I usually try and refrain from posting things on the main thread when they're already here. It seems redundant, for one thing, and if it turns out that the consensus here is to not flag, posting there as well is guaranteed to override that choice.
I think this is a spam work for a business network, but needed others to save me from myself.
ETA: I think something that made me question it more is the editions page:
Because it seems the bisnis canonical title is hiding the issues.
CK (which has a surprising amount of entries) was entered in 2014. Here's the profile that seems to be associated with it all.
Then again, the single work in that library is also a bit odd; not the work itself so much as those who own it.
Okay, that's just about enough rabbit hole to make me need more coffee.
Short answer. I dunno whether or not it's spam.
The "review" isn't really there
The review won't be visible because it's a private member's.
What's your opinion on whether or not the work in question is spam? You tend to be one of the clearest voices on that, and I'd like to know what you think.
ETA a second offender.
New member is using tag feature to sell his books (which he has combined into one work)
AH! It's this other member who added the worst of the tags
See any similarities?
ETA: Two profiles? I'd mark one as spam.
Self published books are the ruin of us all (okay, I'm annoyed, but I'll live).
In addition, it probably *is* only one book.
>134 gilroy: Maybe he thinks, Everything he did I can do better!
I love books, but some of these self-published authors ram the fist of self-promotion so hard down your throat, it makes one choke. So even if some of the books were the best thing I've ever read, with someone so desperate to promote their work, I'd always stay well clear because it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Eurgh!
Edited for typo.
see member gallery: https://www.librarything.com/gallery/member/BillGough
I seem to recall having seen a few like this already. I'll leave them a note, following lilithcat's own wording.
What about stuff like this, when a book or a series of books is given a profile page? This is the latest offender I found, two others I queried in this thread have been suspended.
There's nothing wrong with that one. It's the author's profile page, and I don't see why she shouldn't use her book/series name as her user name.
As far as authors are concerned, as long as they confine their promotion to their personal profile page and forums such as Hobnob I leave them alone.
There are lots more on this page:
I suspect at least some of the above are spam, but I don't know how to flag them.
The next was added by https://www.librarything.com/profile/RobertForsythe - a member since 2011 with 7,201 books who works with transit/railway stuff.
The next by https://www.librarything.com/profile/Bouman - a member since 2008 with 1,391 books.
The last by https://www.librarything.com/profile/alaskayo - a member since 2007 with 21,427 books.
Just because something has "supplies" in the title does not make it spam. I think perhaps you should ease up a bit, your searching seems to be getting a bit overzealous.
I didn't know what to look for.
On the work page, you can click on the name of the member(s) who added it. The information on the profile should help you in figuring out whether it really is suspicious.
I'll leave the profile notice anyway.
Created a couple of years apart, so I'm guessing he forgot his user name, as happens when folks haven't been around for awhile.
Yes, I already flagged both profile and topic.
ETA: Chapter Two is now gone. The profile is still worthy of flagging. YMMV.
but highly suspicious because he's an SEO marketer.
I've left them a comment. Perhaps I'll hear back today.
But I had to share the oddity of their profile pic
with one posted this morning by another new member
I'd say, "not yet". But one to keep an eye on, perhaps.
Found another one:
This work talks about gmail passwords: https://www.librarything.com/work/21100102/details/151392938
Written by this member whose text and link match those found in the work: https://www.librarything.com/profile/TechGmail0
I'm guessing spam? Though flagging the work will leave a stray author (but then that's the way LT works, yes?)....
(It resembled a bunch of spam profiles I'd just found.)
I'd leave them, too. gangleri did a lot of weird stuff (he's responsible for all that VIAF info in the disambiguation notices, and has the strangest collection of tags!). He hasn't been around lately, though. I hope he's okay; I seem to recall he had some health issues.
That image has already been flagged.
The "biography" is not a biography, so I'm deleting it.
This is certainly borderline spam, but the person is an author too, so what to do?
oldest profile: https://www.librarything.com/profile/anthonymorrisonlive
latest profile: https://www.librarything.com/profile/TheSC
ETA - I've separated out the Author page to two different Anthony Morrison authors. Just a gut feeling this success peddler isn't the cognitive psychologist.
sounds reasonable to me.
What about https://www.librarything.com/profile/cignainsurance? Profile just says grad student (with a person's name) and has no links.
It probably bears watching in case it turns out to be a way to promote his own book. Note that he misspelled the title of one of his books. I was under the impression that LT is a site for reviews.
And does he not know about the Member Giveaway program?
Probably not. He just joined today, so may not have explored the site that much.
Being a business with a link to said business, not spam.
Being a business where the write up is obviously meant to drive traffic to the link to the business, SPAM.
I'd keep an eye on it, but I don't see anything wrong with identifying the content of your profile pics.
I vote "not spam". There is no rule against having a link to your own website* on your profile, even if it is a business. The books are certainly legit (each has hundreds of copies here). Both were added a couple of days after he joined. My guess is that, like a lot of folks, he just didn't follow up after an initial burst of interest.
*I see that the website is no longer in existence, though that doesn't cause me to change my opinion. Lots of people have websites that disappear and they don't bother to go back and change it everywhere they've provided the link.
I just get a spammy vibe from the post.
I won't click on it, either, but there's no doubt in my mind that that is spam.
our friend Tywan is back but as far as I can tell has not done anything flag-worthy from this profile....yet.
They listed another work here which is more clearly spammy, though I held off on marking it as such: http://www.librarything.com/work/17438617/128094117
The second one is obviously spam so I did mark as such.
Author is a user that I plan to mark as spam after this question is settled.
Original post: Not sure what to make of this. Here's a sampling of the member's library with telephone #s and websites.
Given this guy has been a member since 2007 and only added 8 books (the most recently published in 2008), I suspect it's probably a dormant account.
They list books they have in the Hospice library as well as recommendations for books obtainable through public libraries. Also contact details of a wide variety of useful organisations. Some of the books have reviews and most entries have useful descriptive Comments. An excellent resource. I wonder if it would fit better on TinyCat?
As with the majority of hospices in the UK the organisation is not-for-profit and a registered charity. definitely NOT spam.
However, she's being enthusiastic in the wrong places. Why would you post in a non-fiction thread about horror stories? Perhaps she just doesn't get the site. Think I'll drop her a note.
Adding: she's definitely not the author! http://www.librarything.com/author/quirogahoracio (who, I must say, looks pretty interesting).
It's all her fault: I found another book by him at my library and now have a hold on it. The Decapitated Chicken, and other stories
In chronological order:
user: https://www.librarything.com/profile/flaaw: "Our travel agency will act like travel agent for all tourists we provide services like tourism, vacation house booking, honeymoon trips, desert taxis, fishing"
I don't think it's against any specific rule so the strange stuff continues.
https://www.librarything.com/topic/294131 (Same post in five groups, this is just a sample)
I'm leaning toward five way flag happy, but wanted to be sure first.
So I suspect it's someone not entirely au fait with etiquette here.
Not familiar with etiquette does not (necessarily) equal spam. I'm not sure on this one. It's not commercial, it's not advertising.
So no, not actual spam. I think a quiet PM to say she ought to get permission/tell staff she's posting survey links will suffice but otherwise I would call it a perfectly reasonable attempt to harvest data from Arabic-language library users who use LT, belong to the groups she posted to and can be bothered to click on the link (probably a very small number). Also comment she really ought to indicate if she's cross-posting the same message to different groups (the lack of such an indication makes it look like spam even though it's not).
I also raise an eyebrow that as a professor of library science she's only managed to catalogue one book since last December... I suspect she's actually using the university library and doesn't own many books of her own (plus she seems to be affiliated with different universities so probably moves around a lot). Cataloguing her personal library and participating in forum discussions would actually make look like a real person too.
I'll email her.
It's certainly not the author, because she's been dead for years.
same location. looks like advertisement profiles. no books added.
"same location"? One is in Italy, the other in Utah.
One is selling tee shirts, the other is a learning research center.
I've flagged the first, I see no reason to think the other is spam.
Sorry. The other one was this:
https://www.librarything.com/work/20312112 (their one work)
I'd say his two author profiles ought to be combined, though.
(I'm not competent to do so right now, or I'd have just done it.)
Also, having a book makes it more of an author page, which allows much more leeway.
Spam in my book but I haven't flagged the perpetrator. I expect someone will.
No such legit organiation called the Pope Foundation in Georgia (per Charity Watch, give.org, & the IRS). Site has one page, only stock photos in the gallery (for future posts?).
One to keep an eye on:
New author has created a tag that directs to Amazon:
I would remark to her, but she's got comments turned off.