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Tekijä: C. G. Jung

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'Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961) oli sveitsiläinen psykiatri ja psykoanalyytikko, joka vuosisatamme alussa oli viiden vuoden ajan Sigmund Freudin tärkeimpiä, ellei peräti tärkein työtoveri ja liittolainen. Haastatteluihin perustuva teos kertoo hänen ajatusmaailmastaan, elämästään ja teorioittensa synnystä.' -- (takakansi)… (lisätietoja)
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I find the character of Carl Jung so attractive that I feel I’m basking in his words. His inquisitive manner and calm voice take you to places you probably wouldn't go with a lesser intellect, and I find myself drifting into all sorts of reveries.
In old age one begins to let memories unroll before the mind’s eye. And musing, to recognise oneself in the inner and outer images of the past…I try to see a line which leads through my life into the world, and out of the world again. (p.352)


As I’m often confronted with the play between levels in my conscious and unconscious mind. I’m interested in an expert’s view but, in my reading, I don’t think Jung ever resolves what that relationship is and why in the very natural process of waking our dreams usually dissolve or fade.
This was a re-reading of a book I'd bought as a student in the 1970s. But, perhaps because I’ve now lived most of my life, it felt like a first reading. There were many passages (included here) that I wanted to note for reference. It is wonderful to have a form of autobiography that focusses on the inner life rather than external events. In some respects, I was looking for some form of explanation of a visionary event that forms the core of my inner world, so I was not exactly a dispassionate reader. I am also a builder and fascinated by the process of building at Bollingen because I do much the same, in as far as I make things up as I go and try to respond to inner needs.
I am unsystematic, very much by intention. To my mind, in dealing with individuals, only individual understanding will do. We need a different language for every patient (p. 253)

Not all of this book is coherent to me. There seems to be a fundamental contradiction between Jung’s theoretical construction of the mind with its attendant terminology, and his therapeutic practice (quoted above).
This is where those aberrations begin, the first of which is to dominate everything by the intellect. This serves the secret purpose of placing both doctor and patient at a safe distance from the archetypal effect and thus from real experience, and of substituting for psychic reality an apparently secure, artificial, but merely two-dimensional conceptual world in which the reality of life is well covered up by so-called clear concepts. Experience is stripped of its substance, and instead mere names are substituted, which are henceforth put in the place of reality. No one has any obligations to a concept; that is what is so agreeable about conceptuality - it promises protection from experience. (p.167)

Unfortunately for me, Jung’s Christianity gets in the way of any thorough coherence. I just can’t reconcile the contradictions inherently lurking beneath Christian dogma with any intelligent clarity.
Numinous experience elevates and humiliates simultaneously. (p. 177)
For as long as we do not understand their meaning, such fantasies are a diabolical mixture of the sublime and the ridiculous. (p. 202)
I studiously avoided all such ‘holy men.’ I did because I had to make do with my own truth, not accept from others what I could not attain on my own. (p.305)
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  simonpockley | Feb 25, 2024 |
In the spring of 1957, when he was eighty-one years old, C.G. Jung undertook the telling of his life story. At regular intervals he had conversations with his colleague and friend, Aniela Jaffe, and collaborated with her in the preparation of the text based on these talks. On occasion, he was moved to write entire chapters of the book in his own hand, and he continued to work on the final stages of the manuscript until shortly before his death on June 6, 1961.
  PendleHillLibrary | Aug 21, 2023 |
I periodically go back to this book to re-read passages from this man's life. It would have been such a wonderful to thing to have had the opportunity to have a conversation with him in person. ( )
  Andy5185 | Jul 9, 2023 |
Reading Jung, instead of about him, is interesting. (Of course I as well as others I guess and create their own Jungs.) Jung was a rebel; he liked Freud (the Old Rebel), and not religion, only jumping ship when Freud caught fire and the world started to change. Jung liked philosophy, at school, but not if it wasn’t fun…. I don’t know. He was Swiss as well, even if he was once a boy too; I don’t want to draw the portrait too extreme. And even in his extreme youth, he was different…. Reflections in stone on solitude, introverted and strange—deep deep waters.

…. I wonder if Jung’s No. 1 and No. 2 might be like the A and B in Kierkegaard’s Either/Or. (Although I fear I am becoming overdeveloped; people will begin to suspect that my words have no specific meaning. Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day? All the world’s a stage, and all the men and women merely players. The swan’s black feet represent….)

…. I know that Jung likes dreams, although my own dreams are not very interesting, I guess because I’m not a psycho, really, even if I am a freak. I remember them briefly but usually they don’t interest me, some latent desire for sexual goodies or forbidden desserts, and I wake up and think, 😣. Unpleasant. But whatever. But sometimes they’re good, even satisfying, because I have good thoughts, although they’re still not instructive, really; like, there’s nothing I need to do about them. I remember a few nights ago I had a dream about the Present Moment—it was kinda vague, you know; but I was having a good thought, paying attention to the Present Moment, like I turned it into a thing, this vague, thing…. It was great though. And then I fell back asleep and I dreamed of playing with this giant bear, really he was carrying me, and it was great. I guess the Bear was Nature/What Is, that is, the Present Moment.

So, to summarize, my dreams:
—A: It would be nice to act out, rock the boat, just to see what would happen. Upon waking: Yeah what it would be like to drown. No action required.
—B: Life is good and I like having good thoughts. (No action required.)

…. Jung’s skepticism about Freud and sex-science-belief is of course rather good, although even Siggy isn’t all wrong (sex does count for something, and most educated people at the time thought that it was just “black mud” the way that Freud thought that religion was “black mud”), and Jung had some good feelings toward him and spoke in his favor before that was the “cool” thing, you know. But sometimes skepticism can be good. In a way we must think aright, and yet final faith (if you like) is not in ideas, for they pass away. Ideas change and pass away and die. Anything that can die eventually does, and ideas can die, and eventually do. I suppose if they are true enough they come back eventually in a newer dress-up. But faith is not really in ideas, in the end, just like Paul said. “Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.” “But don’t worry,” he added, “you’ll always have a job….”

…. Carly does believe in the “impossible”—‘how terrible life would be if the rules were never broken!’—but he also believes that you can crack up if nothing ordinary happens to you, or is let in, so that’s not the greatest divergence with Siggy. The main difference is that Carly lived to serve—‘the psyche’ or however you call it; it’s impersonal but it IS service, and Siggy just…. Well, he’s Siggy.

…. “…. theological thinkers are so used to eternal truths that they know of no other kinds.” Carly

…. “A collective problem, if not recognized as such, always appears as a personal problem…. The personal sphere is indeed disturbed, but such disturbances need not be primary…. Psychotherapy has hitherto taken this matter far too little into account.”
Carly

“We are very far from having finished completely with the Middle Ages, classical antiquity, and primitivity, as our modern psyches pretend. Nevertheless, we have plunged down a cataract of progress which sweeps us on into the future with ever wilder violence the farther it takes us from our roots….”
Carly

…. “Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves. [And I cannot understand my own country or race without understanding other countries or races.]”
Carly

As much as Carly could be, and was, that kinda Middle Europe scholar, he didn’t want to define the limits of his own foibles as the limits of the universe, or think that poorer, less bookish peoples were not worth knowing about. That is something that he is known for, although sometimes forgotten as well I guess, but either way it’s certainly part of his path.

…. Carly was a wise old duck.

…. Carly was not a ‘bad man’, although he was certainly a rebel and a ‘trickster’. But then, can you really trust the one who always tells you, ‘the right thing’?

…. After-note: Now my dreams are largely about money, and I find them to be much pleasanter than before—exceeding pleasant. Very varied, indeed….
  goosecap | Dec 2, 2022 |
This replaces a copy bought and lost in the 1960's
  herculese | Jan 23, 2022 |
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He looked at his own Soul with a Telescope. What seemed all irregular, he saw and shewed to be beautiful Constellations; and he added to the Consciousness hidden worlds within worlds. -- Coleridge, Notebooks
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Prologue -- My life is a story of the self-realization of the unconscious. Everything in the unconscious seeks outward manifestation, and the personality too desires to evolve out of its unconscious conditions and to experience itself as a whole. I cannot employ the language of science to trace this process of growth in myself, for I cannot experience myself as a scientific problem.
When I was six months old, my parents moved from Kesswil on Lake Constance to Laufen, the castle and vicarage above the Falls of the Rhine.
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Philemon and other figures of my fantasies brought home to me the crucial insight that there are things in the psyche which I do not produce, but which produce themselves and have their own life.  Philemon represented a force which was not myself.  In my fantasies I held conversations with him, and he said things which I had not consciously thought.  For I observed clearly that it was he who spoke, not I.  He said I treated thoughts as if I generated them myself, but in his view thoughts were like animals in the forest, or people in a room, or birds in the air, and added, “If you should see people in a room, you would not think that you had made those people, or that you were responsible for them.”  It was he who taught me psychic objectivity, the reality of the psyche.  Through him the distinction was clarified between myself and the object of my thought.  He confronted me in an objective manner, and I understood that there is something in me which can say things that I do not know and do not intend, things which may even be directed against me.
It is of course ironical that I, a psychiatrist, should at almost every step of my experiment have run into the same psychic material which is the stuff of psychosis and is found in the insane. This is the fund of unconscious images which fatally confuse the mental patient. But it is also the matrix of a mythopoeic imagination which has vanished from our rational age. Though such imagination is present everywhere, it is both tabooed and dreaded, so that it even appears to be a risky experiment or a questionable adventure to entrust oneself to the uncertain path that leads into the depths of the unconscious. It is considered the path of error, of equivocation and misunderstanding. I am reminded of Goethe's words: "Now let me dare to open wide the gate/Past which men's steps have ever flinching trod." The second part of Faust, too, was more than a literary exercise. It is a link in the Aurea Catena which has existed from the beginnings of philosophical alchemy and Gnosticism down to Nietzsche's Zarathustra. Unpopular, ambiguous, and dangerous, it is a voyage of discovery to the other pole of the world.
The psyche is distinctly more complicated and inaccessible than the body. It is, so to speak, the half of the world which comes into existence only when we become conscious of it. For that reason the psyche is not only a personal but a world problem, and the psychiatrist has to deal with an entire world.

Nowadays we can see as never before that the peril which threatens all of us comes not from nature, but from man, from the psyches of the individual and the mass. The psychic aberration of man is the danger. Everything depends upon whether or not our psyche functions properly. If certain persons lose their heads nowadays, a hydrogen bomb will go off.

The psychotherapist, however, must understand not only the patient; it is equally important that he should understand himself. For that reason the sine qua non is the analysis of the analyst, what is called the training analysis. The patient’s treatment begins with the doctor, so to speak. Only if the doctor knows how to cope with himself and his own problems will he be able to teach the patient to do the same. Only then. In the training analysis the doctor must learn to know his own psyche and to take it seriously. If he cannot do that, the patient will not learn either. He will lose a portion of his psyche, just as the doctor has lost that portion of his psyche which he has not learned to understand.
I have frequently seen people become neurotic when they content themselves with inadequate or wrong answers to the questions of life. They seek position, marriage, reputation, outward success or money, and remain unhappy and neurotic even when they have attained what they were seeking. Such people are usually confined within too narrow a spiritual horizon. Their life has not sufficient content, sufficient meaning. If they are enabled to develop into more spacious personalities, the neurosis generally disappears. For that reason the idea of development was always of the highest importance to me.

The majority of my patients consisted not of believers but of those who had lost their faith. The ones who came to me were the lost sheep. Even in this day and age the believer has the opportunity, in his church, to live the “symbolic life.” We need only think of the experience of the Mass, of baptism, of the imitatio Christi, and many other aspects of religion. But to live and experience symbols presupposes a vital participation on the part of the believer, and only too often this is lacking in people today. In the neurotic it is practically always lacking. In such cases we have to observe whether the unconscious will not spontaneously bring up symbols to replace what is lacking. But then the question remains of whether a person who has symbolic dreams or visions will also be able to understand their meaning and take the consequences upon himself.
Among the so-called neurotics of our day there are a good many who in other ages would not have been neurotic—that is, divided against themselves. If they had lived in a period and in a milieu in which man was still linked by myth with the world of the ancestors, and thus with nature truly experienced and not merely seen from outside, they would have been spared this division with themselves. I am speaking of those who cannot tolerate the loss of myth and who can neither find a way to a merely exterior world, to the world as seen by science, nor rest satisfied with an intellectual juggling with words, which has nothing whatsoever to do with wisdom.

These victims of the psychic dichotomy of our time are merely optional neurotics; their apparent morbidity drops away the moment the gulf between the ego and the unconscious is closed. The doctor who has felt this dichotomy to the depths of his being will also be able to reach a better understanding of the unconscious psychic processes, and will be saved from the danger of inflation to which the psychologist is prone. The doctor who does not know from his own experience the numinosity of the archetypes will scarcely be able to escape their negative effect when he encounters it in his practice. He will tend to over- or underestimate it, since he possesses only an intellectual point of view but no empirical criterion. This is where those perilous aberrations begin, the first of which is the attempt to dominate everything by the intellect. This serves the secret purpose of placing both doctor and patient at a safe distance from the archetypal effect and thus from real experience, and of substituting for psychic reality an apparently secure, artificial, but merely two-dimensional conceptual world in which the reality of life is well covered up by so-called clear concepts. Experience is stripped of its substance, and instead mere names are substituted, which are henceforth put in the place of reality. No one has any obligations to a concept; that is what is so agreeable about conceptuality—it promises protection from experience. The spirit does not dwell in concepts, but in deeds and in facts. Words butter no parsnips; nevertheless, this futile procedure is repeated ad infinitum.

In my experience, therefore, the most difficult as well as the most ungrateful patients, apart from habitual liars, are the so-called intellectuals. With them, one hand never knows what the other hand is doing. They cultivate a “compartment psychology.” Anything can be settled by an intellect that is not subject to the control of feeling—and yet the intellectual still suffers from a neurosis if feeling is undeveloped.

From my encounters with patients and with the psychic phenomena which they have paraded before me in an endless stream of images, I have learned an enormous amount—not just knowledge, but above all insight into my own nature. And not the least of what I have learned has come from my errors and defeats. I have had mainly women patients, who often entered into the work with extraordinary conscientiousness, understanding, and intelligence. It was essentially because of them that I was able to strike out on new paths in therapy.

A number of my patients became my disciples in the original sense of the word, and have carried my ideas out into the world. Among them I have made friendships that have endured decade after decade.

My patients brought me so close to the reality of human life that I could not help learning essential things from them. Encounters with people of so many different kinds and on so many different psychological levels have been for me incomparably more important than fragmentary conversations with celebrities. The finest and most significant conversations of my life were anonymous.
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'Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961) oli sveitsiläinen psykiatri ja psykoanalyytikko, joka vuosisatamme alussa oli viiden vuoden ajan Sigmund Freudin tärkeimpiä, ellei peräti tärkein työtoveri ja liittolainen. Haastatteluihin perustuva teos kertoo hänen ajatusmaailmastaan, elämästään ja teorioittensa synnystä.' -- (takakansi)

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