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Where Were You Last Pluterday? (DAW #51) - tekijä: Paul Van Herck
The Media Lab : inventing the future at MIT - tekijä: Stewart Brand
Robert A. Heinlein (Writers of the 21st Century) - tekijä: Joseph D. Olander
The Rubai'yat of Omar Khayyam (Penguin 60s) - tekijä: Omar Khayyam
Citizen in Space - tekijä: Robert Sheckley
The Second World War "Their Finest Hour" - tekijä: Winston S. Churchill
The 1990 Annual World's Best SF (DAW #820) - tekijä: Donald A. Wollheim
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Tietoja minusta "Book collecting is a full-time occupation, and one wouldn't get far if one took time off for frivolities like reading" - A.N.L. Munby
Which, these days, seems to be more than a little true: for the past few months, I seem to have been spending more time cataloging my books and reading the book groups on LT - and now book-swapping - than I have spent actually reading.
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"As you know, Bob..." is one of the traditional ways to refer to the typical clunky exposition found in bad science fiction, when characters turn to each other to patiently explain the obvious. (SEE, for example: Jed Hartman's How I explained infodumps and saved humanity)
I use the name occasionally as a nom de internet, so I might as well use it here on LT, as I've certainly read more than my share of clunky exposition.
I'm a minor civil servant. My partner in this book madness is my wife [MaggieO] (who has a major library of her own); and we have three kids. Our house is now officially Full of books.
(People who visit us are at first staggered by the number of books. Then they usually manage to remark politely, "Welll...errm...I guess you can't HAVE too many books." Uh, no, sorry: we are living proof that you CAN in fact have too many books....)
I have a B.S. in Communication Theory, a reasonably numerate branch of the social sciences. (I washed out of Physics because I'm only reasonably numerate.) While beating my head against upper-division physics courses, I somehow picked up three minors - in Philosophy, in History, and in something called "The Human Dimensions of Science and Technology."
Our friends also tend to be fairly high-powered nerds; between myself, my wife, and our friends, we're interested in a wide swath of human activities, from flint-knapping and (fiber) spinning to nanotechnology and astronomy. You can of course get the gist of our interests from our tags.
E.g.: see the above photo of the 2004 transit of Venus: I made it myself, with some not-so-simple tools found around the house. Note that the photo is of an earth-sized planet half-way between us and our star: our entire planet set against the sun would be about half the size of that black dot. The photo serves as a reminder to keep things in perspective.)
Tietoja kirjastostani No, I have NOT read everything here. (I've read more of it than you might think, though.) I custom-built a couple hundred feet of bookshelves for our family room. Yes, we have now officially run out of shelves (we've been forced to resort to the barbarity of double-shelving (*Gasp!* The horror!), and - until the kids leave the nest - we've just about run out of wallspace to put bookshelves. Consequently, some of the older/rattier/less-referred-to stuff has Gone to Storage.)
We are gradually coming around to the strategy of building a library put forth by Samuel Pepys: "For every book that comes into the house, a book will have to leave the house."
{Diaries February 4, 1668: I all day at home, and all morning setting my books in order in my presses for the fallowing year, their number being much increased since the last, so I am fain to lay by several books to make room for better, being resolved to keep no more then just my presses will contain.}
Right now, I'm using LT as a catalog of my BOOKS. I know that a "library" can include more than just books, but that's not how I think of LT.
For about a year, I seemed to have had the largest library of books on LT. This of course was temporary - in the real word, I know a guy who has about 40,000 books, and I'm sure there are plenty more out there.
I have a huge collection of SF, but my non-SF collection is a respectable library all by itself. If we're keeping count, I also have several thousand CDs, several thousand LPs, and probably 4,000? science fiction magazines. I have not yet included these in my LT catalog, although if I ever get some sort of hand-held LT-reader, that may change. (How is "porting LT to the iPod" going?)
Some highlights of my SF collection: I have all of the "Ace Science Fiction Specials" (all three series); I think I have all of the Ace (and Tor...) SF "Doubles"; I have most of the DAW Books (all of them through #1,000). I have every "Year's Best SF" collection that I've been able to find (well over two hundred of them...).
It's said that "the Golden Age of science fiction is 'twelve'". Which is certainly correct in my case - I had been reading the stuff as soon as I could read, but discovering the Wollheim/Carr World's Best Science Fiction anthology when I was, yes, twelve, made my head explode. I've been hooked ever since.
So I seem to be strongest on the SF of the late '60s and then the 1970s - all the stuff that I read as a kid. (E.g.: I bought DAW #1 as a teenager, when I first spotted it in my local store.) As the field has grown, I've made relatively less effort to keep up.
There are some notable gaps for a major SF collection: no Rowling - those are the kids'. No Gaiman or Pratchett or Doug Adams, either - those are either my wife's, or the kids'. The magical-realists are under-represented, simply because they aren't to my taste. "Fantasy" is over-represented (for my taste), largely because for a couple of decades I was a DAW completist. (I'm better now.)
Some thoughts on taxonomy:
For a decade or so, I've kept a catalog of my SF (after a few thousand volumes, I could no longer remember just what I owned, and increasingly found myself accidently buying duplicates). "Tagging" my books has forced me to sit down and think through the taxonomy. My "SF" tag includes not only "speculative fiction", but all sorts of associational stuff: lit crit, biographies and memoirs of sf writers, poetry by Leonard Nimoy, horror by Ambrose Bierce, mainstream novels by PKD, writing guides, etc. So under my 'SF' tag, I place several major subdivisions: I have a couple hundred titles that are "non-fiction about the SF field" ("sf nf"); and the fiction proper is now somewhat arbitrarily divided into "science fiction" and "fantasy". Poul Anderson's Tau Zero is clearly "science fiction", Tolkien's The Hobbit is clearly "fantasy"; but in between, the border between SF and F is of course a question of taste. (Are the "Darkover" books SF or F?). So, each of my 6,000-odd {oops, now 7,000-odd} "SF" books now gets (at minimum) two tags.
I'm going back through to tag some information that applies only to the book-in-my-collection (and not to the work) - where and when I bought it, where I keep it, etc. Sorry if this personal info distracts from the 'tag cloud' for any particular book.
(One reason I immediately joined LT is because Tim used the word "folksonomies" in a sentence. Clearly, I belong here.)
My library is large enough that there really ARE books that I've forgotten I own. One of the pleasures of signing up for LT has been reacquainting myself with books on my shelves that I have not opened in decades.
I find the social aspect of LT to be endlessly fascinating - book lovers are certainly an interesting bunch of people.
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Don't you dare. Maggie would have my hide on a toothpick. :)
Yeah, Pankrti are one of the glories of the old YU music scene...
Lähettänyt: LolaWalser 1:11 pm (EST) May 3, 2008
Lähettänyt: Doug1943 4:51 pm (EST) May 1, 2008
Lähettänyt: LolaWalser 11:12 am (EST) May 1, 2008
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Lähettänyt: bslavin 9:49 pm (EST) Apr 23, 2008
Lähettänyt: Vonini 3:14 am (EST) Apr 16, 2008
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much action in the Delany group. Perhaps we can change that! Anyway, I am in awe of your library!
Lähettänyt: atthesametime 8:24 pm (EST) Apr 14, 2008
Lähettänyt: clamairy 10:18 pm (EST) Apr 5, 2008
Sincerely, ReneeMarie
Lähettänyt: ReneeMarie 1:50 pm (EST) Apr 2, 2008
-Bob
Thanks, Bob. I bow to the superior selection and volume of your collection. I look forward to getting lost in your library. --KR
Lähettänyt: Artemis26 11:09 pm (EST) Mar 26, 2008
Lähettänyt: LordNigelKnickKnack 10:33 pm (EST) Mar 26, 2008
Lähettänyt: KatsBooks 10:10 am (EST) Mar 26, 2008
Yrs,
Spunky Brewster
Lähettänyt: JNagarya 6:05 am (EST) Mar 24, 2008
I'm just starting my cataloging efforts, but since I've moved my bookshelves and left most of their contents on the living room floor, I'm having no trouble finding inspiration to continue the efforts. I was recently pleased to discover that it was possible to include my Analog Science Fiction - Science Fact periodicals. They seem to be uncommonly collected though - I've the only registered copy of most issues. Perhaps I'll have to scan in some covers and do some cleanup once I get all these beasts entered.
Lähettänyt: sangretu 7:43 am (EST) Mar 20, 2008
Lähettänyt: PDExperiment626 11:14 am (EST) Mar 17, 2008
Lähettänyt: alibrarian 9:04 pm (EST) Mar 9, 2008
And, you've got at least one of my novels on your overcrowded shelves. For which, many thanks.
Lähettänyt: greenery 7:54 pm (EST) Mar 4, 2008
But it is quite disturbing that almost every 'cyberpunk' book I've read that I should have absolutely adored... well... hmmm, my grandmother's bowel movement updates are more interesting to me... ugh. That should say a lot.
*snicker*
Lähettänyt: kassetra 5:15 am (EST) Mar 3, 2008
Thanks ever so for the link, and for the thought! Both tickled me immensely. I just adore the pic!
Hope you're well--
Tavia
Lähettänyt: Instigatrix 1:57 pm (EST) Feb 29, 2008
Lähettänyt: BenjaminFranklin 4:01 pm (EST) Feb 4, 2008
And thanks for the good words.
Lähettänyt: Arctic-Stranger 2:30 am (EST) Jan 9, 2008
Lähettänyt: SaintSunniva 11:44 pm (EST) Dec 28, 2007
By the standards of the LT heavy hitters we have hardly any books at all. My wife and I looked each other one day and simultaneosly said (of our books) "Too many notes, Mozart, too many notes". We havent actually uh "de-accessioned" a whole bunch, but we've been trying to hold the increase down to a dull roar.
Its not obvious so far, because I've only got about 250 which is just maybe 10% or so, wont be sure till the job is done, of our books onto LT ; BUT we are also big Sci Fi addicts.
We may have mentioned that our "master plan" (quit giggling back there!) is for us to retire to Colorado. We spend summers at our Colorado house and winters in Manhattan. Its a "bicoastal" life style that we've been enjoying so far, but figure we wont be able to support once both of us have completely quit having earned income.
Lähettänyt: modalursine 3:23 pm (EST) Dec 24, 2007
Lähettänyt: MagisterLudi 2:42 pm (EST) Dec 22, 2007
It certainly is.
I don`t know if you do Xmas, but Season`s Greetings anyway,
Nick
Lähettänyt: nickhoonaloon 6:04 am (EST) Dec 20, 2007
Lähettänyt: bookzombie 9:07 am (EST) Dec 18, 2007
Keep seeing your posts in the Pros and Cons thread, so thought I`d just say hello as we`ve not come accross each other for a while.
How are you keeping ?
As you can imagine, Ann-Marie and I are currently viewing the world through a haze of exhaustion, but are basically very happy indeed. The new arrival is largely a very contented little lad, but can certainly make his presence felt when he wants to !
Nick
Lähettänyt: nickhoonaloon 3:28 pm (EST) Dec 9, 2007
I know, it's funny!
I see you like Joy Division. I collect JD concert bootlegs in a small way, and have about twenty or so. Quality varies wildly. I note you catalogue music on LT too. I'm intrigued, but part of me really doesn't want to know how you do it, as I have around 5K albums...
I have reserved the sfcollectorseditions.blogspot url, which indicates to me that my subconscious is gearing up for another book binge. Many of the editions I have found seem pretty cheap, but one or two are hideously expensive, which is putting me off somewhat.
In light of the sheer number of books you have, when you say you 'like' Penguin Classics, I envisage that you have about 400 of them!
Regards, Andrew
Lähettänyt: Diamat 6:32 am (EST) Dec 9, 2007
foreign-born population:
http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0029/twps0029.html
15% at 1900. decline from 1930 until ca. 1970, waxing since then.
(googling for 'recent-immigration-by-year' mostly turns up a bunch of RW trash - a freeper link is hit #2)
Lähettänyt: AsYouKnow_Bob 3:51 pm (EST) Dec 8, 2007
Lähettänyt: Diamat 2:34 pm (EST) Dec 8, 2007
Lähettänyt: marydell 8:53 pm (EST) Nov 29, 2007
Say, I see you're on flickr as well, I'll go check out your pix!
Lähettänyt: marydell 8:44 pm (EST) Nov 29, 2007
Lähettänyt: slpeterson 9:43 am (EST) Nov 29, 2007
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 11:15 pm (EST) Nov 15, 2007
Lähettänyt: StephenDedman 7:41 am (EST) Nov 14, 2007
Have you seen The Unofficial Alan Garner Website, by the way? It has some wonderful interviews and articles; the one by Charles Butler called "Red Shift and the Shifting Ballad of 'Tam Lin'" is particularly worth a read.
Incidentally, I was going to recommend to you a video I found on YouTube called "Barthomley and Mow Cop"; effectively a slideshow of photographs taken by a local, and set (disconcertingly) to the tune of "The Old Rugged Cross"! However, it's since been removed by the owner - no idea why. As it happens, when I lived in England a few years back, I made a side trip to Barthomley (couldn't manage Mow Cop). St. Bertoline's Church is exactly as it's described; I kept expecting Jan and Tom to come in the door and examine the rood screen or "that dead her" (= Lady Houghton's memorial, just as lifelike as described in the book - the locals like to put flowers on her marble from time to time). Who knows, given the fluidity of time in [Red Shift], perhaps Jan and Tom were there, I just couldn't see them...
Lähettänyt: chamekke 11:06 am (EST) Oct 31, 2007
Well spotted, didn't even tihnk of there, being in more of a find the contents thought mode.
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 11:58 pm (EST) Oct 26, 2007
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Lähettänyt: amysisson 1:25 am (EST) Oct 24, 2007
Funny you should pick Tau Zero as an example; it's one of the top three most important/influential books in my life. The other two are The Songs of Distant Earth by Clarke (not considered one of his better books, but I differ on that) and A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.
So I bet we've been at the same Albacon before. We lived in Waterford 1996 to the end of 2002, and got to at least three Albacons in that time period. We were planning on coming for World Fantasy in Saratoga Springs this year, but I changed jobs and have not yet accrued vacation yet.
Perhaps we'll cross paths somewhere down the line!
Lähettänyt: amysisson 1:20 am (EST) Oct 24, 2007
But I lived in upstate NY just before we moved here.... Waterford, near Albany. My husband went to RPI and I worked at PEF. We went to Albacon several years; do you go to that?
Anyhow, thanks for the answer on Artifact by Benford. That was the quickest I've had a book mystery solved, I think!
I'm curious, what is the difference between your sf tag and your science fiction tag, if you don't mind my asking?
Lähettänyt: amysisson 11:33 pm (EST) Oct 23, 2007
I wasn't aware!
Hi, Bob, I just got back from a very unrestful vacation... Altho', I was a Woman Who Swims With the Squid for a while... :)
Lähettänyt: LolaWalser 7:38 am (EST) Oct 15, 2007
You're lucky that Pepys didn't specify "for X new pages coming in, X old pages have to leave." That means for any book coming in you can launch some skinny little item into the abyss. Maybe you'll want to stock up on a shelf of skinny little things before the Pepysian Rule becomes mandatory, so that you have a stockpile of ejectables. Oh, wait, you'd still be in the shelf space crunch, wouldn't you?
Never mind.
Lähettänyt: Melanchthon 10:00 pm (EST) Oct 4, 2007
Here in Hoonaloon land things are going well, and the new arrival is expected early November.
For all the difficulties of running our own business, I think it will be good when that time comes that we`ll both be around so much to enjoy the experience, much better than in my own father`s day, when he actually didn`t see that much of my early years due to working long hours.
Living in Derbyshire is also appealing, after a very rough start, and things are settling down nicely now.
How are things with you ? Say `Hi` to Maggie for us.
Best,
Nick & Ann-Marie
Lähettänyt: nickhoonaloon 4:24 am (EST) Sep 30, 2007
Thanks indirectly for the "Birdland" link. I also associated SilentInAWay to InASilentWay. Another also for associating Joe primarily with "Mercy, Mercy, Mercy." RIP.
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Lähettänyt: badgerthorazine 11:43 pm (EST) Sep 1, 2007
I read it, and can't think of what the bug might be. I do catch a great many such bugs in the sf I read, actually in nearly all, though I usually can enjoy the story anyway. What's the problem?
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Lähettänyt: Pepys 3:58 am (EST) Jul 26, 2007
>patron of civil servants: Yes I noted this afterwards in your profile. It's rather logical. Do you intend to rise in the pecking order as He did?
François
Lähettänyt: Pepys 3:16 am (EST) Jul 25, 2007
Best,
Nick
Lähettänyt: nickhoonaloon 12:30 pm (EST) Jul 24, 2007
But how do you do with so many books?
Lähettänyt: Pepys 3:26 am (EST) Jul 24, 2007
Finding a web site like this is akin to "coming home again" for anyone who loves books and reading.
LOL!...After reading some of the many comments directed your way, I'd have to say you "lead an interesting life." Best to you,
--Murray in Colorado
Lähettänyt: FunnyGrampa 12:34 pm (EST) Jul 23, 2007
Since we moved house we`ve had quite a lot to contend with - the house turned out to be more neglected than we realised and our relatively small budget for improvements was soon eaten up, also the business has needed constant atention to keep it afloat. Plus, I must admit, I can only spend so much time on the computer before I long to be outdoors - this is much more pronounced now we can see Derbyshire countryside from the back windows of our house.
We`re actually finding some time to relax now and I`m getting a bit of reading done - currently making my second attempt on David Levering Lewis` Du Bois biography.
Anyway, we moved, we saw, we conquered and all OK now, plus we`re expecting our first child in November ! You can be the first LTer to hear about it.
Hope you are well, regards to Maggie.
Nick & Ann-Marie
Lähettänyt: nickhoonaloon 7:12 am (EST) Jul 18, 2007
Thanks for responding to my comment-
Twa Corbies
Lähettänyt: twacorbies 6:48 pm (EST) Jul 17, 2007
I popped over to your profile because of the Talk discussion about cool profiles (it is quite nice, by the way). When you were discussing your tags, you mention "speculative fiction." I was wondering if you consider it a term interchangeable with Sci Fi and Fantasy or something quite specific or even a sub genre. I was reading "Darker Than You Think" before work at a cafe and noticed one of the blurbs mentioned something like "a remarkable work of Speculative Fiction." I'm sure some could cynically compare it to the use of "Graphic Novel" in place of Trade Paperback Comic Book (or whatever), but since your library and experience with Sci Fi seems vast, I thought you would have an interesting answer (my own experience is quite small- the only thing Sci Fi I've read in my adult years that I can think of is "The Stars My Destination" so you can take my lack of knowledge on the subject as a given).
Anyway, if you get a chance, I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. In any case, great profile page- the lot of you on the Talk thread have inspired me to do a bit more work on my own!
Thanks,
twacorbies (Sean)
Lähettänyt: twacorbies 3:48 pm (EST) Jul 16, 2007
Vive la liberté, égalité, fraternité!
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Lähettänyt: bluetyson 9:32 pm (EST) Jul 10, 2007
Thanks :)
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 12:46 am (EST) Jul 9, 2007
If that is handy in the Measureless Caverns of books sometime in the future I'd be interested, in knowing what is in it.
DAW 334 I think, if you have all those organised.
Thanks,
bt
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Lähettänyt: gregfindley 6:06 am (EST) Jun 30, 2007
He is also working on a reference work, the URL below will give you an idea. Myths has a great John Picacio cover too with a fab Modesty Blaise as part of it.
http://www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Chron.htm
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 11:34 pm (EST) Jun 29, 2007
Thanks for your post on my question about the Readercon. *Love* your library! I live in a small apt , so I have to do the Samuel Pepys order as well. I hope to see you an your family at the Readercon. I'm doin a bit of volunteering, so you'll most likely find at registration the first day or so.
All the best, Kris
Lähettänyt: krisa 11:03 pm (EST) Jun 29, 2007
"no Rowling - those are the kids'. No Gaiman or Pratchett or Doug Adams, either - those are either my wife's, or the kids'."
Those are also the writers my own kids enjoy, and that I have not always been as drawn to, but I have enjoyed the sharing as we pass books back and forth. I have learned to appreciate Gaiman, and they also introduced me to Neal Stepehnson, whom I thoroughly enjoy. I started them on Orson Scott Card (whose Ender's Game I would teach if I ever had a Middle School English class again), and they read him more voraciously than I ever did. I also shared Philip K. Dick to general acclaim. They passed on their graphic novels (and I have really enjoyed both Y:The Last Man and Finder: Sin Eater by Carla Speed McNeil), and I passed on mine (Maus), much-loved by all of us. They gave me Godel, Escher and Bach, too, which is waaay over my head, but fascinating as an afternoon snack. Very nice to connect with one's kids in this way!
Yes, had I read Dhalgren in my youth I am sure I would have enjoyed it more -- it was a world I partially inhabited then and only remember with some surprise today. But the challenge of the read was quite pleasurable even now -- it kept those creaky brain cells stimulated.
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Lähettänyt: quartzite 3:16 pm (EST) Jun 26, 2007
We likely agree on very little and would probably get into it on a variety of subjects, ideologies and points of view. Nonetheless, I respect your right to disagree with me vociferously and hope you will continue to defend your way of thinking with articulateness and grace. I remain willing to be persuaded and to change my mind if I'm wrong. Otherwise, I'd be a dunderhead and an arsehole.
Lähettänyt: CliffBurns 12:12 am (EST) Jun 25, 2007
~M~
Lähettänyt: Morphidae 8:12 pm (EST) Jun 24, 2007
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
~M~
Lähettänyt: Morphidae 7:32 pm (EST) Jun 24, 2007
Lähettänyt: kambrogi 12:33 pm (EST) Jun 22, 2007
Hmmm, I hadn't actually realized we had stopped speaking. I must not have received everything you've been writing to me since last December before you cut me off! Anyway, I'm so glad we've now finally got that mix-up sorted out. :)
Addressing your last point first ...
"My refutation of point "c" remains: Good writing is good writing, we recognize it when we see it, and it sometimes occurs even in the genre ghetto of SF. Because good writing can appear anywhere, even in a genre as 'low-brow' as, oh, say, golf stories in WWI-era copies of Redbook."
In 1910 Wodehouse wasn't considered "classic literature" or even "literary"; because very few people knew of his existence back then. His popularity clearly changed as he entered his purple prose period (let's say 1920 through the 60s) and it progressively increased throughout that period. However, he was still not considered "classic literature" in 1920 (just after the Redbook period you mentioned), nor was he considered that in 1930, 1940, 1950 ... 2000, or even today. But I do believe he may be getting there ... each generation he progresses further up the literary squash ladder, as it were. But one isn't generally acknowledged as being a literary master over night, any more than you go straight to the top of the squash ladder the day you join a new racquets club, even if you are the best player in the club the day that you join. You have to demonstrate that superior skill set to a fresh opponent (read each new batch of literary critics for the analogue) at each rung of the ladder.
Plum's writing was almost fully matured by the WW1 period you referenced, and by the early twenties he had definitely hit his stride - The Awakening of Rollo Podmarsh (which appeared in Redbook in 1923? I believe) is, IMHO, one of the funnier and best written pieces that he created. In fact, all of the golf stories in The Heart of a Goof appeared in Redbook that year or thereabouts. And yes, his writing then was definitely "good writing" - regardless of whether anyone labeled it as such then, or even labels it that way now. Because, I too, recognize it when I see it. However, that quality assessment is only from my OWN PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE. Just like the Supreme Court, I also recognize pornography when I see it! :)
If Plum remained a literary outsider, or was even considered absolute rubbish by the literati crowd, as long as he is still popular enough to remain in print such that I am able to currently read him I would be quite content. Yet it is so much nicer for my own ego, isn't it, if I also know that my own personal favorite author is well respected in all the best corridors of literature, and that my own choice of reading material is vindicated by people possibly much smarter than me, better qualified academically than me, and possibly even with provably better taste than me, too? And isn't that what parts of that sci-fi thread were really all about (at least in those places where the actual OP topic was forgotten)?
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BTW, you loaded your last argument there with quite a bit of hyperbole, IMO. "Because good writing can appear anywhere, even in a genre as 'low-brow' as, oh, say, golf stories in WWI-era copies of Redbook." I am personally not acquainted with the status and quality of the Redbook publication - unlike, say, The Saturday Evening Post or Playboy magazines, I have never actually seen one. But even if I accept that that particular publication normally churned out abysmal, lowest of the low-brow pap, the fact is, each of those golf stories were published in the Strand magazine in London about two months prior to their appearing in publication on this side of the pond in Redbook. So however much you may claim that those Plum stories were pearls hidden amongst a bunch of crap from, say, other areas of the genre ghetto(s), over in London Plum was being published in what was considered to be the best magazine in its class - one in fact that he had read assiduously as a child when one of his own literary heroes, Arthur Conan Doyle, was still publishing Sherlock Holmes short stories in it.
So Plum's writing had clearly already been recognized sufficiently in Britain for it to be published cheek-by-jowl with the best other top commercial-selling authors of the day. Now I fully realize that "top-selling" doesn't equate to "literary", nevertheless the situation is also far from being the "hidden bright spot in a dismal genre ghetto" scenario that you just tried to paint. Good writing may indeed occur within the genre ghetto of SF - for instance, I think Vonnegut would obviously fulfil that description, but no one on that thread knew enough to mention him - but IMO Plum's stories (or at least the Redbook era ones that you specifically referenced) are simply not very good examples of some of that kind of writing.
Later.
Lähettänyt: Rule42 1:10 pm (EST) Jun 20, 2007
I really have no idea why you found my post "borderline offensive" but hopefully I addressed your concerns somewhat with my response. However, having just reread that second post I now realize that it may contain something that could well be misconstrued due to my poor sentence structure. At the end I wasn't calling you a numpty; only the people that have previously flagged other innocuous posts of mine. I probably need to go back and remove that comment.
The problem with aesthetics is that it's such a thorny discipline. If you insist that there is an aesthetic in whichever field of endeavor you're addressing - art, music, literature, or even just the sci-fi genre thereof - then someone is bound to call you an elitist and a snob. If you acknowledge that all tastes are somewhat valid then you've just destroyed the concept of their being an aesthetic hierarchy (i.e., good all the way through bad, by whatever value system you choose to use in order to determine that progression). Finally, if you try and take the middle ground between these two extremes (as I think you were doing), in the end all your arguments will end up sounding like something that is straight out of Orwell ... all tastes are equally valid but some are more tasteful than others!
So you can choose to be an elitist snob (in the eyes of others), or you can adopt the skeptical viewpoint that you cannot discern between different values (what I was calling intellectual nihilism), or you can try and walk the middle ground and end up sounding like a hypocrite! Elitism, nihilism, hypocrisy ... not a pretty choice! I never enjoyed aesthetics. :( Of the three, I prefer to be an elitist simply because I don't want to be a nihilist or a hypocrite.
I think that Warhol and Duchamp pretty well destroyed the elitist position in art (if Brillo pads and urinals are art, what isn't art?) which might be one of the reasons why nihilism is now so prominent in post-modernist thinking. Anyway, I'm sorry you thought I was trying to put words in your mouth ... I really wasn't ... it's just the nature of the beast. To my mind, aesthetics is just one big slippery slope. Personally, I prefer not to think about it too much and read Plum instead! :(
Take care.
Lähettänyt: Rule42 11:40 pm (EST) Jun 17, 2007
I've only listed 68 books so far - 11 of them non-fiction - and we share 50 of them, so I naturally admire your taste!
The SF and warships groups look interesting - I'll have to join those.
Tony Williams
Lähettänyt: AnthonyGWilliams 10:09 am (EST) Jun 4, 2007
Thanks for the heads up on the Utica group, nice of you to think of me. I took a peek, it looks like she wants to begin a reading group and as you suspected, Utica is a bit too far for me to drive for that. Thanks though:)
Lähettänyt: cckelly 10:58 pm (EST) Jun 3, 2007
thanks for offering to help me get the utica ny book lovers grp goin
nice profile
Lähettänyt: bookwhore78 7:10 pm (EST) Jun 3, 2007
I'm gobsmacked. Thanks for the info on the author site...and Inman. The book has been of interest to me for years, one of those niggling titles that you can never really get out of your head. The only thing comparable was this short sports novel called THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN a friend gave me when I was in Grade 7. Only problem was, the last five pages were missing so I never knew how it ended. A couple of years ago, thanks to abebooks.com, I found the book super-cheap and read the conclusion. A mystery stretching back 25 years solved. Doncha love when that happens? I'll follow up your tips in the a.m. I'm a bit tired and 50 pages into the new Lee Child "Jack Reacher" novel. I find the series bloody addictive. Reacher solves the crime and viciously exacts punishment on wrong-doers. Often with fatal consequences. That gibes well with my northern Irish genes, methinks. Be well--undoubtedly there will be further contact between us.
Lähettänyt: CliffBurns 12:25 am (EST) Jun 2, 2007
Having trouble paring down the "LT Author" site you alluded to. Is there somewhere specific you have in mind? I'm getting something like 60 entries...keep in mind I'm a technological moron and make the appropriate adjustment in terminology/approach.
C.B.
Lähettänyt: CliffBurns 10:49 pm (EST) Jun 1, 2007
Thanks for the invite and I'm intrigued that of all the people in LT I think I have the most books in common
with you. I appreciate your modesty (describing yourself as a "minor civil servant"). No inflated egos there. I shall have a look at the group you mentioned and hope I fare better there than with the SF fandom crowd. I envy your collection and have a feeling that if I dropped by to browse your collection you'd have to get rid of me with mace and a Taser.
Regards to you,
Cliff
Lähettänyt: CliffBurns 10:40 pm (EST) Jun 1, 2007
You have a VERY impressive collection here.
I guess that makes me just another admirer of your library. *chuckle*
Although, by the looks of things, and after reviewing the number of books we share (167 works, 197 books) I'm not really that surprised that so many eventually wander into the corners of your library to gaze at, wander around and hopelessly stare at the collection you have amassed here. Will Durant in common, very nice. :)
Anyways, just rambling about and thought I would throw a smile/comment your way.
Much bliss & happy reading! :)
~PandorasRequiem
Lähettänyt: PandorasRequiem 7:39 pm (EST) May 31, 2007
Harry Harrison
1967 : The Left Hand Way - A. Bertram Chandler
Judith Merrill
07 : Parky - David Rome
08 : Change of Heart - A. Bertram Chandler
10 : It Could Be You - Frank Roberts
11 : There's A Starman in Ward 7 - David Rome
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 10:32 pm (EST) May 20, 2007
Thank you for the welcome - some people are lumpers/some people are splitters - I'm a lumper is all.
I am very excited about this site - I have been looking for something like this for years and have contemplated actually, in the past, buying software to do the job. (Usually when I get home from the library booksale and find I have bought another duplicate...)
I imagine that I will run into you a few times - you have 58 of the 75 books I have entered - and I have only put in my Heinlein and one shelf of anthologies!
Thanks again for the welcome.
PortiaLong
Lähettänyt: PortiaLong 10:32 pm (EST) May 16, 2007
Even though I have less than half as many books as you, I too have to double-shelve and keep finding books that escaped the first cataloguing. One side benefit is that I discover (after years or decades of ownership) that two or more books that I kept in completely separate mental drawers were written/edited by the same person! Another benefit is that people can finally dare to give me books as gifts, since they can easily find out whether I already have them.
Lähettänyt: languagehat 3:49 pm (EST) May 12, 2007
Thanks for the welcome!
It's always nice to come across another Keith Roberts fan--in fact it's always nice to come across someone else who has heard of Keith, it amazes me that a writer so good can be so little known, but then I suppose the the old "lowest common denominator" rule comes into play, and that means the best known and the most liked of anything, books, music, movies, is . . . . um....ordure!
Lähettänyt: solarisbooks 9:23 am (EST) May 12, 2007
Lähettänyt: mamachunk 8:32 pm (EST) May 11, 2007
this thread on least favourite works by Card?. Some interesting discussion to read, at least for me, in finding others who liked some of the works but really disliked some of his other opinions. I remembered your previous comment on the throwing a book across a room.
Lähettänyt: ryn_books 7:46 am (EST) May 3, 2007
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 10:35 pm (EST) May 2, 2007
http://adventuresinscifipublishing.blogspot.com/
May be of interest, there is a SF book club editor one in the middle episodes.
Also saw Dozois has a Best of the Year's Best book out too, while browsing ABE. Lol.
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 3:41 am (EST) May 2, 2007
I do believe someone was asking about $50 for that issue of Interzone. I wondered if Angela Carter might have been the British equivalent of our John Crowley within the genre. You know? Not in writing style, but in their relationship to the genre.
Dealer list is up on the Readercon website now. Start saving your pennies:-) Best, Lois
Lähettänyt: avaland 12:52 pm (EST) Apr 29, 2007
To collect them if they keep going at this rate you would need a titanium reinforced bookcase (and probably floor) as they ain't small.
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 9:32 pm (EST) Apr 24, 2007
http://www.yearsbestsf.info/
Population of world much bigger than in DAW's day, so should be able to fill a few more books I guess. :)
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 10:35 pm (EST) Apr 23, 2007
http://www.bestsf.net/reviews/wollheim1990.html
When it said review, I figured that is what it was, not a story list!
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 7:41 am (EST) Apr 23, 2007
I think the 1979 has Creator by David Lake, which is in one of Paul Collins' anthologies here, but not one I have found at other than very keen collector prices.
So he may be the earliest local in one of those.
Thanks,
bt
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 7:39 am (EST) Apr 23, 2007
-- Clarke's Fourth Law.
(I don't see why Arthur should be the only Clarke who gets to formulate them.)
-- Paul Clarke, rec.arts.sf.written
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 3:00 am (EST) Apr 21, 2007
PZ rocks!
Highly recommended: "Evolution" by Carl Zimmer.
Lähettänyt: monado 2:58 pm (EST) Apr 18, 2007
Thanks again and have fun with the shelf checking.
Lähettänyt: ryn_books 10:21 am (EST) Apr 12, 2007
On a more positve anthologies note....when you get a moment I'd welcome any opinion on the Brian M Thomsen Novel Ideas anthologies. They look interesting, but would be an import/bookstore order for me to get down here.
Lähettänyt: ryn_books 6:07 am (EST) Apr 11, 2007
Lähettänyt: ginmar 9:27 pm (EST) Apr 9, 2007
I like some of you blog entries. Particularly the home ownership analysis.
And I'm not so keen on SF, but I notice we have a lot of other books in common. The question of tagging is an interesting one, though the divisions for me were slightly different - I puzzled over the divisions between national/language-bound literatures and settled on an inadequate compromise, but I did go over some of the points in detail on a thread started by LolaWalser. I'll dig it up if you're interested.
Lähettänyt: Existanai 1:43 pm (EST) Apr 9, 2007
I've started reading your blog too - interesting. See you around!
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Lähettänyt: NativeRoses 11:05 pm (EST) Apr 7, 2007
http://gregegan.customer.netspace.net.au/INCANDESCENCE/Incandescence.html#CONTENTS
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 1:44 pm (EST) Apr 6, 2007
I will look at the Bookmooch list, but there is the whole tyranny of distance/postage! :)
Lähettänyt: bluetyson 9:53 pm (EST) Apr 5, 2007
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Lähettänyt: Fnarf 4:23 pm (EST) Feb 23, 2007
I saw your post about selling duplicates on ebay. I have a few I'm thinking of selling but I've never done the ebay thing. What were the advantages of ebay over, say Amazon, for you? Any pointers of wisdom you'd be willing to impart?
I keep trying to get through your Bookmooch inventory btw, however, I'm always about 10 pages in when the site becomes ungodly sloooooow. Probably just as well since I could blow all my measly few points and not get through half your offerings.
Lähettänyt: cckelly 12:24 am (EST) Feb 7, 2007
Lähettänyt: andyl 4:30 am (EST) Jan 30, 2007
AND "Growing Up In Tier 3000"!
Lähettänyt: doubtfulpalace 12:12 am (EST) Jan 19, 2007
Lähettänyt: MyopicBookworm 6:46 am (EST) Jan 11, 2007
You're high on my list of "raw" booksharers at present, but I think that's because my catalogue currently prioritizes books in boxes under the bed, and that's where most of the SF is!
Lähettänyt: MyopicBookworm 12:29 pm (EST) Jan 10, 2007
thanks for your reply. "Site Talk" is there such a group, or is it a fishing expedition.
I seem to miss a help link (for some of my basic questions) on this site.
anyway, belated A Merry Christmas and a Happy new Year.
Lähettänyt: bolger 12:26 am (EST) Dec 30, 2006
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Lähettänyt: howie 9:20 am (EST) Dec 24, 2006
Anyway, I sympathize about shelf space. Of course, I have far, [i]far[/i] fewer books than you do, but I also only have a single room to put all my belongings in. Right now I have all the books I've read in storage, and the unread ones are all piled onto a single bookcase, all jumbled and out of any sort of order (which drives me nuts). Whenever I get around to getting my own house, I think I'm going to have to get at least one extra bedroom to function as a private library.
Maybe I can get them to build shelves into the walls.
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Lähettänyt: Fnarf 12:38 pm (EST) Dec 15, 2006